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floppyboo

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Fri Aug 25, 2017, 12:15 PM Aug 2017

My view from north of your border [View all]

First, I hope this is still okay. I did not vote for Hillary. That would be illegal. I am Canadian. I joined this site Dec. 2014 when following Elizabeth Warren at a time when there seemed to be a real push to change US politics towards a more social democratic platform.

I haven't been posting here much lately, as I don't see that promising push much at all. It makes me kinda sad to read the reactionary comments and fear-based rationale for moving more towards the centre. (That's how we spell center up here also throw in a 'u' whenever you can honour neighbour colour etc.)

By definition, I would be an independent: I am a member of the NDP, but won't hesitate to vote strategically. I'm also kind of a nerd and like to look at stats. I have looked at registration numbers for both dems and gop over the years. GOP seems pretty steady. Dems get a huge spike before every general election. And then it drops off considerably after every election that I have studied. (I haven't gone back that far, admittedly)

The Democratic party sits, between elections, at 28% [edit -27]. or thereabouts, and the GOP at 35% [edit -31]- with the majority of Americans withholding their allegiance at around 43%. If you look at when party membership peaks for the Dems, it is at primary time. And then it drops off, considerably after the election. My guess? independents that didn't get their candidate.

Why am I mentioning any of this?

It is really time to stop blaming Bernie Sanders for Hillary's loss. Those 'democrats' only became 'democrats' to vote for him in the primary. When he didn't get the nomination, they were free. Bernie stood by Hillary after his defeat, but to think that he can bully his followers into changing their real concerns - the reason they joined the democratic party in order to vote for him - is to not understand the real shift in the majority opinion. Unlike Hillary - he was able to sway that disenfranchised majority of American voters. By continuing to insinuate that Bernie stole Hillary's victory, you are alienating the largest voting block.



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Interesting leftstreet Aug 2017 #1
Your statistics are wrong. Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #2
What are you looking at? floppyboo Aug 2017 #4
Ahhh...this is 2017 not 2011. And down here we have right-leaning polls and left-leaning ones brush Aug 2017 #11
So where are your numbers? I've looked at them many times and not seen the GOP with that lead. pnwmom Aug 2017 #49
I saw those numbers on the link you provided, but they only show 2 parties floppyboo Aug 2017 #58
I think the the other assumption you're making is that most of those "independents" pnwmom Aug 2017 #60
That may be - and certainly seems to be true as that poll shows floppyboo Aug 2017 #61
My prediction. roamer65 Aug 2017 #3
Hey, we already had a problem with the Russians meddling in our politics. brush Aug 2017 #5
Me giving them the advantage? I just read numbers. nt floppyboo Aug 2017 #6
You need to get a better source. Your numbers are wrong. brush Aug 2017 #8
I'm guessing you meant to address the poster who put the poll #'s up? floppyboo Aug 2017 #15
You will not find such a source, because only 31 states enable voters to register by party. pnwmom Aug 2017 #50
I also didn't find what I thought I had seen. Just polls, no actual numbers floppyboo Aug 2017 #51
You are also overlooking the fact that some partisans are strategic voters. pnwmom Aug 2017 #52
Kasich in Ohio? Didn't this happen there? floppyboo Aug 2017 #54
Not completely true. Hold outs and bitter enders made the diff. haveahart Aug 2017 #7
But were they Dems before the primaries? Numbers suggest they weren't nt floppyboo Aug 2017 #16
Sadly DownriverDem Aug 2017 #24
I, for one, appreciate any input from our friends to the North Heartstrings Aug 2017 #9
I appreciate the input too... SalviaBlue Aug 2017 #13
Agree, what's up with all the hostility ATL Ebony Aug 2017 #18
I second that! denvine Aug 2017 #35
There's a LOT of authoritarianism around here RandomAccess Aug 2017 #40
I noticed and I don't get the logic. I get a good discussion but geez. ATL Ebony Aug 2017 #56
Me too. REALLY not a good look for Dems. RandomAccess Aug 2017 #59
The only people looking to move to the center are those willing to put 'identity politics' on the boston bean Aug 2017 #10
Not true DownriverDem Aug 2017 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Aug 2017 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #12
My problem with your reply is the large swing from obama voters floppyboo Aug 2017 #19
Exactly DownriverDem Aug 2017 #22
Still have a few strong female trump supporters as Facebook "friends" ? tiredtoo Aug 2017 #26
Guyana in capital MyNameGoesHere Aug 2017 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #43
We have a two party system DownriverDem Aug 2017 #23
"Unhelpful" is RandomAccess Aug 2017 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #44
There's nothing like good "Fuck You" LakeArenal Aug 2017 #14
I didn't hear and FU's - well, maybe the russian one ;) floppyboo Aug 2017 #17
Thank you! Heartstrings Aug 2017 #20
My Problem With Bernie DownriverDem Aug 2017 #21
Bernie votes and caucuses with the Dems. tiredtoo Aug 2017 #27
He left the party immediately after the election and has spent the time since then criticizing it.nt pnwmom Aug 2017 #53
even up here, with 5 major parties, when the crunch of marking your x comes floppyboo Aug 2017 #29
He's a Democratic Socialist. They have been shunned by the conservatives Warpy Aug 2017 #30
How is the view from JPR? Tanuki Aug 2017 #28
would you also like me disclose all the other sites in the universe I visit? floppyboo Aug 2017 #32
Nope. Not interested in any of that, but you are the one who Tanuki Aug 2017 #33
I was pushed out. Alerted for the most innocuous questions floppyboo Aug 2017 #34
Yeah, things are pretty prickly here all right RandomAccess Aug 2017 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #45
This isn't JPR. Nor is it a JPR discussion floppyboo Aug 2017 #47
We blame Comey and Putin more than we ever blamed Bernie. BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #31
Disenfranchised? I believe an overwhelming number of them voted for Hillary lunamagica Aug 2017 #36
Yes indeed! I meant existentially disenfranchised. nt floppyboo Aug 2017 #37
I think you're oversimplifying what's going on down here, and minimizing the negative effect... George II Aug 2017 #38
yup. that's the whole intent of my post: to legitimize the minimilizing! floppyboo Aug 2017 #39
Please stick around here. scipan Aug 2017 #46
Aloha Floppyboo. I appreciate your perspective. mahina Aug 2017 #55
He never officially conceded to her. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #57
Many people vote "the person",until their "person" is no longer a candidate SoCalDem Aug 2017 #63
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