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Jim Lane

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69. Yeah, really.

Fri Aug 25, 2017, 11:18 PM

Aug 2017

In 2012 there was a thread on DU asking members if they'd ever voted for a Republican. As one would expect, there were plenty of "No, never" responses. In addition, however, there were also quite a few of us (us Democrats, that is) who had made an occasional exception.

I gather that your plan for improving the Democratic Party's electoral fortunes is to begin by excommunicating everyone who's ever voted for a single Republican? Call me crazy but I don't think that's a smart tactic. I'm glad that, in 2016, we got some Romney-Clinton voters, and I'm not ready to give up on winning back at least some of the Obama-Trump voters. Perhaps some purists can't accept that. I'll just have to live with their disapproval.

Finally, if you think my post violates the rules, you go right ahead and alert on it. I don't read the rule as applying to races that are long over. Alternatively, you can post your reasons for urging people to support a felon -- pardon me, a Democratic felon -- because having a (D) after the name is more important than basic honesty.

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By Our Revolutions head says, Democrats have lost their souls. She will make them find religion. [View all] ismnotwasm Aug 2017 OP

..I.....cant....even....... samnsara Aug 2017 #1

...sigh? I think these people regard the Republicans Hortensis Aug 2017 #93

So they're the Club for Growth, Green Party Edition. Scoopster Aug 2017 #2

So still not liking coalitions? bettyellen Aug 2017 #3

No. I think Our Revolution's motto is: Cooperation is Icky. Squinch Aug 2017 #60

I love you more every day. bettyellen Aug 2017 #71

Back atcha, dear! Squinch Aug 2017 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #4

Why can't people wrap their heads around the fact Phoenix61 Aug 2017 #5

Because that would actually require some effort and thought. nycbos Aug 2017 #8

Because, unfortunately, tribalism ain't just for right-wingers Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #11

In Alabama, that line of thinking led to us nominating Richard Shelby for the U.S. Senate. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #64

Somebody is trying to copy Jill Stein. DetlefK Aug 2017 #6

Oh, you got it obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #90

I was at the Mass Dem Convention and saw the "Our Revolution crowd" nycbos Aug 2017 #7

Lol. Imo, they aren't really racist, but are oblivious radius777 Aug 2017 #26

Excatly nycbos Aug 2017 #34

Exactly. They are ruthlessly self-ish, though. Hortensis Aug 2017 #96

Just out of curiosity, what were their numbers like? Squinch Aug 2017 #61

It was a pretty decent amount and they weren't all assholes. nycbos Aug 2017 #84

Thanks. Squinch Aug 2017 #86

Oh, FFS.... Squinch Aug 2017 #9

While top tier Democrats feverishly battle Trumpism, they'll soon find oasis Aug 2017 #10

We did have an election driven by the grassroots BainsBane Aug 2017 #12

+infinity ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #18

What Bains said. Squinch Aug 2017 #62

Are Nina Turner and Our Revolution protected from criticism by the TOS? Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #13

No Nina Turner is no longer a Democrat...she is as best we can tell a Green. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #16

As best I can tell, you're completely wrong Jim Lane Aug 2017 #24

She'd do a better job fighting within the Democratic Party if she'd stayed in the Democratic Party. brooklynite Aug 2017 #25

Has she changed her registration? Has she endorsed the Greens? Jim Lane Aug 2017 #32

I put two links on this thread...she says she will edorse the person not the party...she would even Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #36

Goddamn. She was my Rep when I moved to Ohio madinmaryland Aug 2017 #42

Below is a more recent article. She is not a Democrat anymore...but something else...I think she is Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #35

Great article. nt oasis Aug 2017 #39

Thanks...only a person who does not support Democrats would find Nina and her merry band of Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #54

Thanks for providing links that disprove your own post Jim Lane Aug 2017 #41

She's still a Dem, but insists on ideas over party ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #47

That's true. She probably wouldn't support an anti-choice Democrat. (n/t) Jim Lane Aug 2017 #48

I voted for Tim Ryan who up until recently was anti-choice. You see I am a Democrat...and I vote for Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #55

She is running a new party Our revolution which will endorse anyone who Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #104

Really? Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #53

Yeah, really. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #69

Strawman on fire!!!!!!! Goalposts on the move!!!! Squinch Aug 2017 #77

My improvement for the Democratic Party begins after we get rid of Trump...what Turner will do is Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #81

I cannot tell you how sick I am of people using their votes and voices to proclaim their Squinch Aug 2017 #56

Poor, irrelevant Nina. lapucelle Aug 2017 #14

Screw you Turner...I am sure the GOP are funding your traitor Greens organization. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #15

I wish these assholes would just stop already. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #17

Sounds like she should change her name to Nina Teaparty DFW Aug 2017 #19

Nina Turncoat. oasis Aug 2017 #20

Someone tell me how this is any different than Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos! maxrandb Aug 2017 #21

Obviously, once is not enough for Nina and the Revolution. They will never learn. haveahart Aug 2017 #22

Nina Turner is a god-damned fool. nt Blue_true Aug 2017 #23

Truer Words Were Never Spoken Me. Aug 2017 #29

I'm getting sick and tired of this phony crap! R B Garr Aug 2017 #27

You mean Nina Turner who shit all over Hillary and helped people not support/vote for her? TeamPooka Aug 2017 #28

The Very One Me. Aug 2017 #30

Good luck with mine: I didn't use it, so I sold it for some good cheesecake and an advance politicat Aug 2017 #31

The advice to progressives, distilled from this thread. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #33

She is primarying sitting Democrats when the GOP has all the power...and she also says she will pick Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #37

You equate "primarying sitting Democrats" with "Naderism" -- which is totally absurd. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #46

You should not run a super liberal in a state like WVA...you will merely cost Democrats the seat... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #49

I emotionally agree with you, but not intellectually. GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #66

Those are legitimate considerations. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #70

I am a proud liberal member of the Democratic Party GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #72

The thing I dislike most about this sort of argument is the obvious lack of interest in winning... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #106

Well said...nt GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #146

Thanks...these folks act as if they get the primary they want or a certain candidate and we know Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #156

challenge from the left would help Manchin, imho DeminPennswoods Aug 2017 #78

Nope, it will weaken him. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #108

You are just wrong GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #147

+1 stranger81 Aug 2017 #67

+2 LittleBlue Aug 2017 #105

If you have nothing useful to say, I certainly recommend description #3. NNadir Aug 2017 #152

I don't find it interesting...I despise all Trump enablers and that includes Turner whom I am Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #38

Check out the People's Platform oberliner Aug 2017 #40

Their platform is meaningless to me because they will cost Democrats elections. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #50

exactly. treestar Aug 2017 #83

We had abortion coverage in health insurance (ACA) until Turner and her sort Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #51

That right there. They don't seem to be getting that point. Squinch Aug 2017 #57

Since I disagree with the first two GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #74

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #43

...and the horse she rode in on. stevenleser Aug 2017 #44

I despise that woman NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #45

Trump is minutes away from starting WWIII and Nina wants to give him more power? Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #52

Never underestimate the vanity of the purist. Squinch Aug 2017 #58

Yes, vanity and . . . peggysue2 Aug 2017 #92

This is my favorite post in a long, long time. Squinch Aug 2017 #127

Thank you, sir. peggysue2 Aug 2017 #128

I'm a ma'am, but no, thank YOU! Squinch Aug 2017 #129

Oops! peggysue2 Aug 2017 #134

No problem! Squinch Aug 2017 #135

Great post...and so true. I am sick of the 'list' tossed around here...the candidate must... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #139

Lol. More like the irrational righteousness of extremists. Hortensis Aug 2017 #94

Nina, are you threatening us like donald Drumpf does? In that case, you mfcorey1 Aug 2017 #59

She said "SOME Democrats have lost their souls", not "Democrats" collctively. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #63

Our Revolution is a 501(c)(4). "Citizens United" decision. Not required to disclose its Donors. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #109

That is irrelevant. Nina used phraseology I might not have used, Ken Burch Aug 2017 #119

First, don't put words in my mouth, as that is not how you and I discuss things emulatorloo Aug 2017 #121

I've never defended Jeff Weaver. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #136

Thanks for the reply, We agree a lot more than we disagree emulatorloo Aug 2017 #162

Perhaps it would help if we put a condition on large donations Ken Burch Aug 2017 #163

You need money to run Ken...I would love a perfect world where the damned Greens did not Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #140

The money can only be justified if we actually get elected. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #148

Money doesn't always get you elected...however, it gives you a shot. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #154

I hadn't heard there was talk about primarying Sherrod. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #158

While that might work during presidential years, it won't during mid-terms. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #159

I don't think Sherrod should be primaried. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #160

She is a problem and could cost us safe seats. She is bitter and angry and doesn't concern herself Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #161

Nina Turner works for Jill Stein who is a Putin Troll JI7 Aug 2017 #65

Would you happen to have a link for your assertion about Turner? Jim Lane Aug 2017 #68

Turner is an opportunist who knows radius777 Aug 2017 #75

Is this the same Nina Turner GoCubsGo Aug 2017 #88

That's her...and she shit on Hillary during the general and has continued to shit on Democrats. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #141

What is the fantasy world Nina lives in ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #73

This is exactly how big money and the religious right moved the Reublicans so far to the right. mjvpi Aug 2017 #126

No she is not...she will cause Democratic losses...The GOP had one issue...health care which always Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #142

Our revolution members make up the majority of my local party new members dembotoz Aug 2017 #79

My condolences to you and to our party when we lose the next election and to our country when Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #80

Don't know where u hang out. Opposite true here dembotoz Aug 2017 #82

I hang out in Ohio...and when Nina said she would not support Sherrod Brown who will have Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #85

In Wisconsin dembotoz Aug 2017 #89

Great news...what Feingold couldn't elected in your state? And you and the gang think a more Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #91

And who won in the presidential race in your state? MineralMan Aug 2017 #95

actually my county was one of 2 in the state who increase hrc turnout over obama dembotoz Aug 2017 #98

And, yet, Trump won Wisconsin. MineralMan Aug 2017 #99

if you want a discussion about what hrc did wrong in my state the mods will shut this down fast dembotoz Aug 2017 #100

The point is you have had a GOP governor who surivived impeachment and won re-election, Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #115

Excuse me we have run centrist candidates and look how fucking well it worked dembotoz Aug 2017 #137

who are your referring to? No if Feingold couldn't get elected, you should Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #143

Barrett and burke dembotoz Aug 2017 #150

They were candidates for governor...Barrett in 10 Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #151

See nothing rational in ur comments dembotoz Aug 2017 #157

Big deal...she still lost Wisconsin...so how would a more liberal our revolution approved candidate Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #110

see my reponse directly above dembotoz Aug 2017 #113

I doubt mods give a shit, as they've heard all the insta pundit-class narratives before emulatorloo Sep 2017 #164

Lol. "Ignore them and dis then at your peril"? Hortensis Aug 2017 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #102

More threats...hey we get it... some are hinting that they helped take down Hillary by not voting Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #111

Why does support of these people always have to include a threat? Hmmmm? Squinch Aug 2017 #155

If they want the "mainstream" Democrats to support their issues ... dawg Aug 2017 #87

The course you recommend is exactly what most of us followed. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #101

I will not support their issues...if they win primaries they may be setting up a loss in the general Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #103

It has to go both ways. dawg Aug 2017 #116

The worry is they win primaries which tend to bring out the more liberal voters and lose the Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #118

I think the primaries are a pretty good gauge of who will do best in the general. dawg Aug 2017 #120

No, they are not...different voters turn out for primaries...the most liberal for Dems and the most Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #144

Nina Turner is batshit insane... Hard pass Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #107

Exactly...have to wonder who is funding them? Koch may? Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #112

Solid blue districts is precisely where primaries make the most sense Jim Lane Aug 2017 #138

The purpose of elections is to win...when we waste money on already blue seats...we Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #145

The purpose of elections is to get better government. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #149

Well, your methods will weaken Democrats and get better Republican government . You Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #153

Slogan's Run DFW Aug 2017 #114

Great post...'corporate Democrats' has always been a BS slogan with no meaning. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #117

With all that DT is doing, why is Our Revolution devoting itself to dividing & attacking DEMOCRATS? pnwmom Aug 2017 #122

Pride. Vanity. Contempt. Revenge. (Pick one.) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #131

I can think of another reason but I'll leave you to guess it. pnwmom Aug 2017 #132

Well, of course! That was was just too obvious. It's a "given" and not worth saying... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #133

This is exactly how the conservatives drove the agenda to the right during my lifetime. mjvpi Aug 2017 #123

Yes, she is. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #124

Fuck her and her religion. 6000eliot Aug 2017 #125

Sheesh! More smearing and denigrating of Democrats! (So what else is new?) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #130