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leftynyc

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27. I don't think so

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 05:55 AM

Aug 2017

He opens himself to obstruction of justice charges. If that doesn't stop him, Eric schneiderman will take care of him. He would also be giving up his fifth amendment protections as would ivanka and Jared if they accept a pardon. He's no king and congress - even one run by his own party - will not allow him to behave as if he is. If congress sees Donnie taking away their power by trashing the party, they will run him over with a bus, back up and do it again. They owe him nothing.

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In The End Trump Will Issue Pardons To Russiagate Participants Endng Mueller Investigation. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Aug 2017 OP

I can't believe this country cilla4progress Aug 2017 #1

Not gonna happen... I think even the Repukes would vote to impeach him if he did that. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2017 #53

Then the world will know he is guilty Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #2

He doesn't care uponit7771 Aug 2017 #13

I just want him out and his business worthless Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #15

This is exactly what they said on the news tonight. BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #3

He gave the white nationalists the signal that they are OK and he supports them. As well as telling RKP5637 Aug 2017 #49

I don't believe a pardon exempts an individual from testifying Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #4

Yes it does. fallout87 Aug 2017 #5

He can only pardon federal crimes. stopbush Aug 2017 #7

Yes, the NY Attorney General won't stop More_Cowbell Aug 2017 #8

But did Flynn, Manafort, etc. commit State crimes? OliverQ Aug 2017 #56

Maybe not, but tRump has committed state crimes. stopbush Aug 2017 #91

Exactly fallout87 Aug 2017 #92

Could Trump pre pardon people before he hires them? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #18

They still would have to testify. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #60

no it does not. drray23 Aug 2017 #90

If they are Pardoned they can no longer plead the 5th. Dustlawyer Aug 2017 #85

What's to stop him from pardoning them for contempt of court if they refuse to testify? fishwax Aug 2017 #87

Nothing except the pressure it would put on Republicans for this obvious obstruction. Dustlawyer Aug 2017 #88

Not much comfort in that... fishwax Aug 2017 #89

That would be obstruction of justice struggle4progress Aug 2017 #6

Morally of course, but the constitution gives him free rein to pardon anyone he pleases. Kentonio Aug 2017 #39

I just don't think impeachment will happen, and the GOP will allow him to run rip-shit over the US. RKP5637 Aug 2017 #50

Me too. Kentonio Aug 2017 #97

If Trump is forced to resign first, then any pardons would come from Pence. TheBlackAdder Aug 2017 #9

"Golden showers" video (if there is one) would make him resign. He is counting on Russia to haveahart Aug 2017 #96

Doesn't there need to be conviction before pardon? JNelson6563 Aug 2017 #10

Pardons can be made before investigations, let alone convictions. BzaDem Aug 2017 #11

The state level prosecutors can take over after that uponit7771 Aug 2017 #12

Pardons won't work. Eyeball_Kid Aug 2017 #14

Nixon didn't admit guilt nor make sworn testimony grantcart Aug 2017 #20

I do not think that's entirely accurate : Jarqui Aug 2017 #36

Nice homework but you missed the point of the thread grantcart Aug 2017 #48

I do not agree. Jarqui Aug 2017 #99

This is what I expect too. Kablooie Aug 2017 #16

The GOP should really change it's name. It's not the old republican party. This new party RKP5637 Aug 2017 #44

LOL greeny2323 Aug 2017 #17

+1 BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #22

Lol. Your DU name flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #42

Yep. Clearly meant to lower morale around here. blue neen Aug 2017 #24

This is a really unfair accusation. Squinch Aug 2017 #55

+1. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #83

LOL. Which means that lately they are relentlessly correct. Call me a pessimist or a realist, it Squinch Aug 2017 #52

IKR? SammyWinstonJack Aug 2017 #63

+1! Thank you! (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #66

USI USI USI world wide wally Aug 2017 #19

And also US equals United Stupidity! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #45

Then most likely will declare himself King and rename this country TRUMPIA yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #21

If he tried to pardon himself, that would go to the SC. still_one Aug 2017 #26

How many Republicans on that court? yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #28

It is 4 to 4 with essentially Kennedy the swing vote, however, if a President actually tried to still_one Aug 2017 #29

I don't think the founding fathers thought someone like Trump would come along. There seem to RKP5637 Aug 2017 #46

Amurika, the loudest banana republic. arthritisR_US Aug 2017 #23

... with the most nukes and a lunatic at the helm. Scary! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #47

Jill Wine-Banks, who was a Watergate prosecutor, said if he issues pardons to stop the investigation Vinca Aug 2017 #25

I also think if trump tried to pardon himself that would be ruled as unConstitutional because it still_one Aug 2017 #30

That's what I would think, too. Then it's a question whether the loyal lapdog Pence Vinca Aug 2017 #31

We couldn't get around that, but I also wonder how loyal Pence would be to trump. still_one Aug 2017 #32

Hard to say. It all hinges on who would vote for Pence in 2020. Vinca Aug 2017 #33

I sure wouldn't count on Pence helping me DeminPennswoods Aug 2017 #38

I agree Louis1895 Aug 2017 #35

That point was one not many would have known DeminPennswoods Aug 2017 #37

I don't think so leftynyc Aug 2017 #27

How is it opening him up to obstruction of justice charges? Kentonio Aug 2017 #40

its absolute UNLESS leftynyc Aug 2017 #103

Last I checked, the constitution just says 'except in cases of impeachment'. Kentonio Aug 2017 #104

I think Trump JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #34

This has been the likely outcome ever since the Russia thing started. Kentonio Aug 2017 #41

Another doom-and-gloom thread from Nemesis. Ritual seppuku anyone? FreepFryer Aug 2017 #43

It is what it is njhoneybadger Aug 2017 #54

We are not discouraged. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #57

I am. Have you read a paper lately? Nemesis is positing an outcome that is very possible. Squinch Aug 2017 #59

OP posits this as a done deal. It's not. He frames us as powerless. We're not. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #63

Again, you are accusing a trustworthy, long term poster of something sinister and you are dead wrong Squinch Aug 2017 #67

Please don't spam w duplicate posts. See my reply at post 68. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #69

Please don't accuse trustworthy long term posters of trying to bring down morale. And if you Squinch Aug 2017 #72

See my post 71 for my reply. Again, no need for you to spam accusations. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #73

And no need for you to spam accusations either. Squinch Aug 2017 #75

I didn't, but I appreciate your desire to foster community. please see post 71. Thanks. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #76

You clearly did. Squinch Aug 2017 #77

Actually, I didn't. But it's not my job to police your views, nor yours to police mine. Cheers. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #78

And yet, you did. Squinch Aug 2017 #79

Didn't. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #80

I am discouraged njhoneybadger Aug 2017 #86

You are right... fallout87 Aug 2017 #93

Seriously. That's the third I've seen in this thread. What, are they expecting sunshine and Squinch Aug 2017 #58

Fear-mongering posts that frame it as a done deal and us as powerless won't work. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #61

You are accusing a trustworthy, long-term poster of something sinister. You are dead wrong. So stop. Squinch Aug 2017 #65

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. Respectfully, it's not your place to tell me what to do. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #68

Yes, you are accusing him of trying to bring down morale. At least own what you are doing. Squinch Aug 2017 #70

No I'm not. Sincere Thanks for having DU's best interest at heart though... I do as well. Cheers. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #106

Drumpf fucks up again! Ohiya Aug 2017 #51

I like this interpretation. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #82

They still would have to testify. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #62

Nope. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #74

+1. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #81

Look on the bright side. smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #84

George HW Bush similar shut down Iran-contra investigation delisen Aug 2017 #94

I think after the Arpaio pardon workinclasszero Aug 2017 #95

Exactly! Arpaio was a trial balloon, and of course he wanted too. The US appears powerless RKP5637 Aug 2017 #98

Like others, it strikes me as another heinous act by Trump Jarqui Aug 2017 #100

No it won't, and while he could very well pardon anyone who is found involved in criminal activity, still_one Aug 2017 #101

He can't pardon himself, though Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #102

i think people still have questions about this but i don't think it's a sure thing that he can't. JI7 Aug 2017 #105