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30. I also think if trump tried to pardon himself that would be ruled as unConstitutional because it

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 06:13 AM

Aug 2017

destroys the concept of checks and balances, which are what this country was founded upon

At least that is how I think it would be argued

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In The End Trump Will Issue Pardons To Russiagate Participants Endng Mueller Investigation. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Aug 2017 OP

I can't believe this country cilla4progress Aug 2017 #1

Not gonna happen... I think even the Repukes would vote to impeach him if he did that. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2017 #53

Then the world will know he is guilty Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #2

He doesn't care uponit7771 Aug 2017 #13

I just want him out and his business worthless Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #15

This is exactly what they said on the news tonight. BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #3

He gave the white nationalists the signal that they are OK and he supports them. As well as telling RKP5637 Aug 2017 #49

I don't believe a pardon exempts an individual from testifying Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #4

Yes it does. fallout87 Aug 2017 #5

He can only pardon federal crimes. stopbush Aug 2017 #7

Yes, the NY Attorney General won't stop More_Cowbell Aug 2017 #8

But did Flynn, Manafort, etc. commit State crimes? OliverQ Aug 2017 #56

Maybe not, but tRump has committed state crimes. stopbush Aug 2017 #91

Exactly fallout87 Aug 2017 #92

Could Trump pre pardon people before he hires them? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #18

They still would have to testify. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #60

no it does not. drray23 Aug 2017 #90

If they are Pardoned they can no longer plead the 5th. Dustlawyer Aug 2017 #85

What's to stop him from pardoning them for contempt of court if they refuse to testify? fishwax Aug 2017 #87

Nothing except the pressure it would put on Republicans for this obvious obstruction. Dustlawyer Aug 2017 #88

Not much comfort in that... fishwax Aug 2017 #89

That would be obstruction of justice struggle4progress Aug 2017 #6

Morally of course, but the constitution gives him free rein to pardon anyone he pleases. Kentonio Aug 2017 #39

I just don't think impeachment will happen, and the GOP will allow him to run rip-shit over the US. RKP5637 Aug 2017 #50

Me too. Kentonio Aug 2017 #97

If Trump is forced to resign first, then any pardons would come from Pence. TheBlackAdder Aug 2017 #9

"Golden showers" video (if there is one) would make him resign. He is counting on Russia to haveahart Aug 2017 #96

Doesn't there need to be conviction before pardon? JNelson6563 Aug 2017 #10

Pardons can be made before investigations, let alone convictions. BzaDem Aug 2017 #11

The state level prosecutors can take over after that uponit7771 Aug 2017 #12

Pardons won't work. Eyeball_Kid Aug 2017 #14

Nixon didn't admit guilt nor make sworn testimony grantcart Aug 2017 #20

I do not think that's entirely accurate : Jarqui Aug 2017 #36

Nice homework but you missed the point of the thread grantcart Aug 2017 #48

I do not agree. Jarqui Aug 2017 #99

This is what I expect too. Kablooie Aug 2017 #16

The GOP should really change it's name. It's not the old republican party. This new party RKP5637 Aug 2017 #44

LOL greeny2323 Aug 2017 #17

+1 BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #22

Lol. Your DU name flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #42

Yep. Clearly meant to lower morale around here. blue neen Aug 2017 #24

This is a really unfair accusation. Squinch Aug 2017 #55

+1. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #83

LOL. Which means that lately they are relentlessly correct. Call me a pessimist or a realist, it Squinch Aug 2017 #52

IKR? SammyWinstonJack Aug 2017 #63

+1! Thank you! (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #66

USI USI USI world wide wally Aug 2017 #19

And also US equals United Stupidity! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #45

Then most likely will declare himself King and rename this country TRUMPIA yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #21

If he tried to pardon himself, that would go to the SC. still_one Aug 2017 #26

How many Republicans on that court? yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #28

It is 4 to 4 with essentially Kennedy the swing vote, however, if a President actually tried to still_one Aug 2017 #29

I don't think the founding fathers thought someone like Trump would come along. There seem to RKP5637 Aug 2017 #46

Amurika, the loudest banana republic. arthritisR_US Aug 2017 #23

... with the most nukes and a lunatic at the helm. Scary! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #47

Jill Wine-Banks, who was a Watergate prosecutor, said if he issues pardons to stop the investigation Vinca Aug 2017 #25

I also think if trump tried to pardon himself that would be ruled as unConstitutional because it still_one Aug 2017 #30

That's what I would think, too. Then it's a question whether the loyal lapdog Pence Vinca Aug 2017 #31

We couldn't get around that, but I also wonder how loyal Pence would be to trump. still_one Aug 2017 #32

Hard to say. It all hinges on who would vote for Pence in 2020. Vinca Aug 2017 #33

I sure wouldn't count on Pence helping me DeminPennswoods Aug 2017 #38

I agree Louis1895 Aug 2017 #35

That point was one not many would have known DeminPennswoods Aug 2017 #37

I don't think so leftynyc Aug 2017 #27

How is it opening him up to obstruction of justice charges? Kentonio Aug 2017 #40

its absolute UNLESS leftynyc Aug 2017 #103

Last I checked, the constitution just says 'except in cases of impeachment'. Kentonio Aug 2017 #104

I think Trump JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #34

This has been the likely outcome ever since the Russia thing started. Kentonio Aug 2017 #41

Another doom-and-gloom thread from Nemesis. Ritual seppuku anyone? FreepFryer Aug 2017 #43

It is what it is njhoneybadger Aug 2017 #54

We are not discouraged. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #57

I am. Have you read a paper lately? Nemesis is positing an outcome that is very possible. Squinch Aug 2017 #59

OP posits this as a done deal. It's not. He frames us as powerless. We're not. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #63

Again, you are accusing a trustworthy, long term poster of something sinister and you are dead wrong Squinch Aug 2017 #67

Please don't spam w duplicate posts. See my reply at post 68. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #69

Please don't accuse trustworthy long term posters of trying to bring down morale. And if you Squinch Aug 2017 #72

See my post 71 for my reply. Again, no need for you to spam accusations. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #73

And no need for you to spam accusations either. Squinch Aug 2017 #75

I didn't, but I appreciate your desire to foster community. please see post 71. Thanks. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #76

You clearly did. Squinch Aug 2017 #77

Actually, I didn't. But it's not my job to police your views, nor yours to police mine. Cheers. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #78

And yet, you did. Squinch Aug 2017 #79

Didn't. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #80

I am discouraged njhoneybadger Aug 2017 #86

You are right... fallout87 Aug 2017 #93

Seriously. That's the third I've seen in this thread. What, are they expecting sunshine and Squinch Aug 2017 #58

Fear-mongering posts that frame it as a done deal and us as powerless won't work. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #61

You are accusing a trustworthy, long-term poster of something sinister. You are dead wrong. So stop. Squinch Aug 2017 #65

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. Respectfully, it's not your place to tell me what to do. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #68

Yes, you are accusing him of trying to bring down morale. At least own what you are doing. Squinch Aug 2017 #70

No I'm not. Sincere Thanks for having DU's best interest at heart though... I do as well. Cheers. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #106

Drumpf fucks up again! Ohiya Aug 2017 #51

I like this interpretation. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #82

They still would have to testify. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #62

Nope. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #74

+1. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #81

Look on the bright side. smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #84

George HW Bush similar shut down Iran-contra investigation delisen Aug 2017 #94

I think after the Arpaio pardon workinclasszero Aug 2017 #95

Exactly! Arpaio was a trial balloon, and of course he wanted too. The US appears powerless RKP5637 Aug 2017 #98

Like others, it strikes me as another heinous act by Trump Jarqui Aug 2017 #100

No it won't, and while he could very well pardon anyone who is found involved in criminal activity, still_one Aug 2017 #101

He can't pardon himself, though Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #102

i think people still have questions about this but i don't think it's a sure thing that he can't. JI7 Aug 2017 #105