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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
81. Most government agencies have a policy of paying judgments against employees
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 03:51 PM
Aug 2017

At least when the employee was acting in the scope of his or her official duties. This would normally apply even if the judgment is rendered after the employee has left government service.

It's generally a sound policy. There are many government positions which a person of average means couldn't accept without risk of personal bankruptcy if he or she would be personally liable on such claims. And don't tell me that you could completely protect yourself just by acting properly. Arpaio's case is unusual in that he was so clearly a miscreant. There are many cases that fall in a gray area.

I don't know Maricopa County's policy. My semi-educated guess, though, is that Arpaio won't have to pay a dime out of his own pocket.

In some jurisdictions, certain kinds of misconduct while in office can affect the employee's pension rights. My guess is that something like that is the best we can hope for in this instance.

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Trump shot the sheriff C_U_L8R Aug 2017 #1
Hah! Egnever Aug 2017 #14
Lol. Great! And thanks, Atman. Loved reading this, Hortensis Aug 2017 #18
Don the Con,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2017 #35
Actually, Arpaio is probably a big hero of his. GoCubsGo Aug 2017 #63
Never make me believe that Don the Con Cryptoad Aug 2017 #65
or anyone else malaise Aug 2017 #68
Exactly,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2017 #80
LOL CatWoman Aug 2017 #37
LOLOL pangaia Aug 2017 #44
But he did not shoot the deputy left-of-center2012 Aug 2017 #49
Love that song! FM123 Aug 2017 #72
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2017 #50
Did you hear that? It was a hearty laugh when I read your post. Now that damn song keeps going aro MLAA Aug 2017 #57
LOVE it! As my ever-astute husband just said - calimary Aug 2017 #60
Perfect!! broadcaster90210 Aug 2017 #70
Donald needs Arpaio to implement his "Economic" Final Solution! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #2
and who is gonna uphold these laws? mopinko Aug 2017 #3
Good to hear! Squinch Aug 2017 #4
The five year waiting period comes into play when an individual actually applies for a pardon.. Princess Turandot Aug 2017 #5
Correct. I just read that too Bladewire Aug 2017 #39
Oh. bummer.......... pangaia Aug 2017 #46
Sadly, you are correct. There's a lot of hopeful misunderstandings being posted. mobeau69 Aug 2017 #74
the president's pardon power is not subjected to anything drray23 Aug 2017 #6
Yeah greytdemocrat Aug 2017 #7
Wouldn't it still be considered PatSeg Aug 2017 #12
Yes, but Cosmocat Aug 2017 #21
At his age, PatSeg Aug 2017 #47
YEP Cosmocat Aug 2017 #64
Yes, which is why the Supreme Court found that a pardon could be refused by its intended recipient. PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #88
Constitutional Conundrum BBG Aug 2017 #19
Good Question Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #48
Exactly, this is the question, and what radius777 Aug 2017 #87
So does this mean that the Supremes can rule on a legal claim of abuse of pardons? ancianita Aug 2017 #22
There is no requirement to accept a pardon or admit guilt Jersey Devil Aug 2017 #8
None of this is true. former9thward Aug 2017 #9
correct - there is no limitation to the pardon power Jersey Devil Aug 2017 #11
That's what I figured - it's just wishful thinking. Towlie Aug 2017 #42
This is from a Forbes article, disagreeing with you on moonscape Aug 2017 #67
How does one "accept" a full and unconditional pardon? former9thward Aug 2017 #73
When Ford pardoned tricky dick it was for mobeau69 Aug 2017 #75
I guess is was fake news from NPR. Atman Aug 2017 #10
Before you say that let's confirm that NPR actually made that claim and not just some guest speaker. Towlie Aug 2017 #43
If you go to the DOJ site for pardons, the 5 yrs can be waived JDC Aug 2017 #13
The guidelines are not part of the Constitutional restrictions Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #15
So Arpaio can still be sued in civil court? yardwork Aug 2017 #17
Yes, he can, and he will be obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #27
He already has been. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #79
Yes. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #31
I see. On the other hand, he wasn't acquitted by a jury. yardwork Aug 2017 #40
Virtually all of the consequences of conviction are gone. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #58
Thank you. N/t spooky3 Aug 2017 #53
I don't care how old he is, he needs to be held accountable IronLionZion Aug 2017 #16
I agree. He has been abusing people and violating their rights for decades. Tanuki Aug 2017 #20
I don't think any of this is true Bradical79 Aug 2017 #23
The details of a pardon and admission of guilt are fuzzy, and get debated every time.... George II Aug 2017 #25
Thankfully a pardon doesn't erase a conviction, so he's still a convicted felon... George II Aug 2017 #24
Yeah, at least there's some small consolation there. Bradical79 Aug 2017 #29
It was only a misdemeanor charge Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #56
You are thinking of commutations. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #59
So Trump effective "pre-dated the check" and the pardon is prospective? no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #26
you know thats how i feel.. hes 85 and how is 6 mos in jail going to.... samnsara Aug 2017 #28
Joe is not in the least bit ashamed by his conviction trc Aug 2017 #32
It would be a deterrent to others. What kind of example does it set to have no consequences MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #34
The consequence of such actions may have to come in civil court avebury Aug 2017 #36
I certainly hope so. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #38
Most government agencies have a policy of paying judgments against employees Jim Lane Aug 2017 #81
Reminder from 2012 about these two: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIHha6vXgAA-KVT.jpg Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #30
Yawn... just another lie. calimary Aug 2017 #61
Juvie said what? czarjak Aug 2017 #76
As soon as Sheriff Joe accepted the pardon, per the US avebury Aug 2017 #33
Trump will $hit on himself. He will then realize pardons mean dae Aug 2017 #55
Class action suits for wasting taxpayers' money Duppers Aug 2017 #62
I'm not even reading extensively this string without posting my snarky lambchopp59 Aug 2017 #41
I wonder if this pardon will position Trump to eventually be avebury Aug 2017 #45
Civil redress is all that will be left for most areas of justice and that will be gone soon as well Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #51
I wish you no harm But if it must happen that way I salute dae Aug 2017 #71
This is a "Justice Department Rule" itsrobert Aug 2017 #52
Then bring on the state's criminal charges. defacto7 Aug 2017 #54
Would that admission of guilt leave the county liable as well? davsand Aug 2017 #66
arpaio couldn't be "deported" to the netherworlds fast enough onetexan Aug 2017 #69
Will that piece of shit be cremated or buried? dalton99a Aug 2017 #78
great news for this day! chillfactor Aug 2017 #77
How did Ford pardon Nixon then? It wasn't 5 years I don't think Maraya1969 Aug 2017 #82
can't he face state charges? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #83
K&R nt Javaman Aug 2017 #84
I don't know about the DOJ rules stopping Trump -- rules are nothing to him, but tandem5 Aug 2017 #85
No, the constitution overrides DOJ rules BainsBane Aug 2017 #86
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