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Javaman

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84. K&R nt

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Sat Aug 26, 2017, 08:17 PM

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Sheriff Joe is not out of hot water. [View all] Atman Aug 2017 OP

Trump shot the sheriff C_U_L8R Aug 2017 #1

Hah! Egnever Aug 2017 #14

Lol. Great! And thanks, Atman. Loved reading this, Hortensis Aug 2017 #18

Don the Con,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2017 #35

Actually, Arpaio is probably a big hero of his. GoCubsGo Aug 2017 #63

Never make me believe that Don the Con Cryptoad Aug 2017 #65

or anyone else malaise Aug 2017 #68

Exactly,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2017 #80

LOL CatWoman Aug 2017 #37

LOLOL pangaia Aug 2017 #44

But he did not shoot the deputy left-of-center2012 Aug 2017 #49

Love that song! FM123 Aug 2017 #72

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2017 #50

Did you hear that? It was a hearty laugh when I read your post. Now that damn song keeps going aro MLAA Aug 2017 #57

LOVE it! As my ever-astute husband just said - calimary Aug 2017 #60

Perfect!! broadcaster90210 Aug 2017 #70

Donald needs Arpaio to implement his "Economic" Final Solution! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #2

and who is gonna uphold these laws? mopinko Aug 2017 #3

Good to hear! Squinch Aug 2017 #4

The five year waiting period comes into play when an individual actually applies for a pardon.. Princess Turandot Aug 2017 #5

Correct. I just read that too Bladewire Aug 2017 #39

Oh. bummer.......... pangaia Aug 2017 #46

Sadly, you are correct. There's a lot of hopeful misunderstandings being posted. mobeau69 Aug 2017 #74

the president's pardon power is not subjected to anything drray23 Aug 2017 #6

Yeah greytdemocrat Aug 2017 #7

Wouldn't it still be considered PatSeg Aug 2017 #12

Yes, but Cosmocat Aug 2017 #21

At his age, PatSeg Aug 2017 #47

YEP Cosmocat Aug 2017 #64

Yes, which is why the Supreme Court found that a pardon could be refused by its intended recipient. PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #88

Constitutional Conundrum BBG Aug 2017 #19

Good Question Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #48

Exactly, this is the question, and what radius777 Aug 2017 #87

So does this mean that the Supremes can rule on a legal claim of abuse of pardons? ancianita Aug 2017 #22

There is no requirement to accept a pardon or admit guilt Jersey Devil Aug 2017 #8

None of this is true. former9thward Aug 2017 #9

correct - there is no limitation to the pardon power Jersey Devil Aug 2017 #11

That's what I figured - it's just wishful thinking. Towlie Aug 2017 #42

This is from a Forbes article, disagreeing with you on moonscape Aug 2017 #67

How does one "accept" a full and unconditional pardon? former9thward Aug 2017 #73

When Ford pardoned tricky dick it was for mobeau69 Aug 2017 #75

I guess is was fake news from NPR. Atman Aug 2017 #10

Before you say that let's confirm that NPR actually made that claim and not just some guest speaker. Towlie Aug 2017 #43

If you go to the DOJ site for pardons, the 5 yrs can be waived JDC Aug 2017 #13

The guidelines are not part of the Constitutional restrictions Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #15

So Arpaio can still be sued in civil court? yardwork Aug 2017 #17

Yes, he can, and he will be obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #27

He already has been. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #79

Yes. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #31

I see. On the other hand, he wasn't acquitted by a jury. yardwork Aug 2017 #40

Virtually all of the consequences of conviction are gone. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #58

Thank you. N/t spooky3 Aug 2017 #53

I don't care how old he is, he needs to be held accountable IronLionZion Aug 2017 #16

I agree. He has been abusing people and violating their rights for decades. Tanuki Aug 2017 #20

I don't think any of this is true Bradical79 Aug 2017 #23

The details of a pardon and admission of guilt are fuzzy, and get debated every time.... George II Aug 2017 #25

Thankfully a pardon doesn't erase a conviction, so he's still a convicted felon... George II Aug 2017 #24

Yeah, at least there's some small consolation there. Bradical79 Aug 2017 #29

It was only a misdemeanor charge Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #56

You are thinking of commutations. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #59

So Trump effective "pre-dated the check" and the pardon is prospective? no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #26

you know thats how i feel.. hes 85 and how is 6 mos in jail going to.... samnsara Aug 2017 #28

Joe is not in the least bit ashamed by his conviction trc Aug 2017 #32

It would be a deterrent to others. What kind of example does it set to have no consequences MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #34

The consequence of such actions may have to come in civil court avebury Aug 2017 #36

I certainly hope so. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #38

Most government agencies have a policy of paying judgments against employees Jim Lane Aug 2017 #81

Reminder from 2012 about these two: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIHha6vXgAA-KVT.jpg Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #30

Yawn... just another lie. calimary Aug 2017 #61

Juvie said what? czarjak Aug 2017 #76

As soon as Sheriff Joe accepted the pardon, per the US avebury Aug 2017 #33

Trump will $hit on himself. He will then realize pardons mean dae Aug 2017 #55

Class action suits for wasting taxpayers' money Duppers Aug 2017 #62

I'm not even reading extensively this string without posting my snarky lambchopp59 Aug 2017 #41

I wonder if this pardon will position Trump to eventually be avebury Aug 2017 #45

Civil redress is all that will be left for most areas of justice and that will be gone soon as well Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #51

I wish you no harm But if it must happen that way I salute dae Aug 2017 #71

This is a "Justice Department Rule" itsrobert Aug 2017 #52

Then bring on the state's criminal charges. defacto7 Aug 2017 #54

Would that admission of guilt leave the county liable as well? davsand Aug 2017 #66

arpaio couldn't be "deported" to the netherworlds fast enough onetexan Aug 2017 #69

Will that piece of shit be cremated or buried? dalton99a Aug 2017 #78

great news for this day! chillfactor Aug 2017 #77

How did Ford pardon Nixon then? It wasn't 5 years I don't think Maraya1969 Aug 2017 #82

can't he face state charges? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #83

K&R nt Javaman Aug 2017 #84

I don't know about the DOJ rules stopping Trump -- rules are nothing to him, but tandem5 Aug 2017 #85

No, the constitution overrides DOJ rules BainsBane Aug 2017 #86