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155. Yes, Trump is worse. Worse than Bush. Worse than Nixon. Worse than Grant, and maybe Harding.

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 07:13 AM

Aug 2017

Possibly not quite as bad as James Buchanan.

Trump's remarks about "fine people on both sides", equivocation, and refusal to call out neo-Nazi white supremacy after what happened in Charlottesville? That drew condemnation, rebuke, and comment from the Joint Chiefs of Staff (who went on Twitter to say 'no place for bigotry, racism and hatred'); from the governments of the USA's closest allies (the prime minister of the UK, the chancellor of Germany, government ministers in Israel), and from the UN. That's something unprecedented. I can't remember the generals and admirals in charge of the USA's armed services, the USA's closest allies, and the UN jointly condemning anything an American president has said, like that. Trump's actions represent a complete abdication of the moral authority of the office of the President, and by extension of the United States. Bush, for all his faults (which were many), never came close to that.

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Is Trump worse than Bush? [View all] oberliner Aug 2017 OP

Yes! FM123 Aug 2017 #1

Yes, and in spades. MineralMan Aug 2017 #2

Which 8% of Dems approve of him? Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #3

It's clear that some people pretending to be Dems approve of him alcibiades_mystery Aug 2017 #5

That is a great point oberliner Aug 2017 #26

Great question oberliner Aug 2017 #19

Margin of error? I don't see one off hand. defacto7 Aug 2017 #86

Margin of error is 3 percentage points oberliner Aug 2017 #141

That's a pretty large margin. defacto7 Aug 2017 #142

Probably the JPR "Democrats" who voted for him. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #88

Bingo, the alt-left. Also Dixiecrat types. /nt radius777 Aug 2017 #146

Those reagan dems of course madokie Sep 2017 #167

What was Bush's approval rating among Democrats in August 2001? alcibiades_mystery Aug 2017 #4

He's so awful, he (almost) makes me pine for the bush years! femmocrat Aug 2017 #6

Yes! LovingA2andMI Aug 2017 #7

Worse NotASurfer Aug 2017 #8

W was bad, terrible, awful Bettie Aug 2017 #9

Bush was a classic old money, muscular foreign policy Republican. Trump is fascist trash alcibiades_mystery Aug 2017 #12

Bush forced a war that led to the killing over a million brown skinned people oberliner Aug 2017 #28

Do you have a link for that claim? Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #100

See post 22, nt stopwastingmymoney Aug 2017 #106

I endorse this. Adrahil Aug 2017 #64

Bad intelligence and gross miscalculation Zambero Aug 2017 #71

There were DU posts calling Bush mentally deranged oberliner Aug 2017 #73

Is Lung Cancer Better Than Liver Cancer? JimGinPA Aug 2017 #10

sums it up nicely dembotoz Aug 2017 #74

Trump is like stage IV pancreatic cancer. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #156

Every now and then I hear people from the Bush administration being interviewed milestogo Aug 2017 #11

Bush may have been bad, but I don't believe for one moment that he was evil incarnate. Different Drummer Aug 2017 #13

I truly don't think Bush is the right comparison. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #14

yes, completely obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #15

We knew what motivated the Bush War for Oil Cabal leftstreet Aug 2017 #16

Cheney was behind Bush's crimes. As a person, Bush was a lazy dolt and ranked low on the crazy scale dalton99a Aug 2017 #17

Bush believed that God wanted him to invade Iraq oberliner Aug 2017 #27

Well, there was also that Project for a New American Century dalton99a Aug 2017 #42

Trump thinks he IS God. n/m RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #138

Agree ... LSparkle Aug 2017 #78

"Is Trump worse than Bush?" Hayduke Bomgarte Aug 2017 #18

How many hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq? oberliner Aug 2017 #22

/ this. Snackshack Aug 2017 #47

Trump is a fascist, a racialist ideology responsible for genocide radius777 Aug 2017 #148

No argument there, however Hayduke Bomgarte Aug 2017 #50

Understood oberliner Aug 2017 #54

is this ranking necessary or helpful? tomp Aug 2017 #90

"is this ranking necessary or helpful?" Hayduke Bomgarte Aug 2017 #93

sorry for the late response. tomp Sep 2017 #165

I've done that too many Hayduke Bomgarte Sep 2017 #166

No Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #102

Please. tymorial Aug 2017 #20

Were you alive during the Iraq War? oberliner Aug 2017 #24

I am 40. I stand by my statement nt tymorial Aug 2017 #25

Trump will have ample time to outdo Bush 43 Zambero Aug 2017 #58

Bush was a lot more religiously motivated oberliner Aug 2017 #61

Very true and scary as well Zambero Aug 2017 #72

But he at least didn't believe he himself was God bellmartin Aug 2017 #125

I was a mature adult during the Iraq war and I came of age in the Vietnam war. pnwmom Aug 2017 #118

You are correct sir. Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #104

Sort of Bradical79 Aug 2017 #21

Absolutely yes! smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #23

Hell to the yes Lotusflower70 Aug 2017 #29

There is no doubt that Trump is staggeringly awful oberliner Aug 2017 #32

Bush sucked Lotusflower70 Aug 2017 #39

Yes. N/T NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #30

Didn't think anyone could be - but IMO, yes! 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2017 #31

There are a lot of similarities between the two oberliner Aug 2017 #34

The Iraq war is a very high hurdle for sure 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2017 #44

Let's put this in perspective. democratisphere Aug 2017 #33

It's obvious 45 is the worst SonofDonald Aug 2017 #35

Cheney was behind the lies that led us into the Iraq War oberliner Aug 2017 #37

Yes I remember. SonofDonald Aug 2017 #49

We made it past bush somehow, not so sure about trump. And Obama cleaned up a lot Hoyt Aug 2017 #36

There are a million dead Iraqis who didn't make it past Bush oberliner Aug 2017 #40

Yeah, I started to mention Iraq. But Trump is a bigger problem today than bush is today. Hoyt Aug 2017 #46

Worse and here's why Stinky The Clown Aug 2017 #38

Fair points oberliner Aug 2017 #56

Bush never tried to kill millions of Americans by taking away their healthcare dalton99a Aug 2017 #57

good points steve2470 Aug 2017 #62

No kidding. dalton99a Aug 2017 #69

Have you seen Sicko? oberliner Aug 2017 #68

Yes dalton99a Aug 2017 #79

Yes. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2017 #41

Yes! peggysue2 Aug 2017 #43

Bush was really bad but Trump is worse steve2470 Aug 2017 #45

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq' oberliner Aug 2017 #53

I think he lied about that, frankly steve2470 Aug 2017 #60

You may be right oberliner Aug 2017 #65

Who the hell are the 8% 'democrats' that approve of Orange Hitler???? workinclasszero Aug 2017 #48

there is NO ONE worse than LOSER 45 Motley13 Aug 2017 #51

Yes, Trump is worse. Not even a close call. bluepen Aug 2017 #52

What about the Iraq War? oberliner Aug 2017 #59

I saw the other 30 times you posted this. bluepen Aug 2017 #63

OK oberliner Aug 2017 #66

Only "30"? Seemed like more. SharonClark Aug 2017 #77

Well, if you want to be literal - it was only 6 oberliner Aug 2017 #81

Give it a rest will you. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #109

He is a war criminal oberliner Aug 2017 #113

Let it go. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #123

It's just a discussion forum oberliner Aug 2017 #132

The problem is that you are comparing the two... potone Aug 2017 #128

That's a fair point oberliner Aug 2017 #131

And Trump when all is said and done may be a traitor RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #140

He's the worst president of all time! Initech Aug 2017 #55

At this point there is not much difference between Charles Manson and Donald Trump dalton99a Aug 2017 #67

Yes. He's dumber than bush and lazier than bush. louis-t Aug 2017 #70

Trump is a nasty, ignorant, dumbass but walkingman Aug 2017 #75

By an order of magnitude already, in my opinion. n/t reflection Aug 2017 #76

technically not yet, but give him time. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #80

Waaaay worse JDC Aug 2017 #82

Hmmm LyndaG Aug 2017 #83

Six of one, a half dozen of the other. GoCubsGo Aug 2017 #84

The difference between shit and dog shit, a choice that no civilized person would even ponder. FreeStateDemocrat Aug 2017 #85

Dumbya was the clown shoes prince of presidents. jcmaine72 Aug 2017 #87

Yes!!!!! nt jrthin Aug 2017 #89

We are judging two different qualities of their presidencies Generic Other Aug 2017 #91

Good points oberliner Aug 2017 #114

Trump is exponentially worse because he is trying to foment a civil war. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #92

If he hands us a 9/11, yes. Until then, it's not even close. nt ucrdem Aug 2017 #94

Trump has done more damage to the social fabric than 9-11. 9-11 brought us together. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #95

Yes it worked out rather well for shrub, I'll give you that. nt ucrdem Aug 2017 #96

Trump is pushing us toward a small c civil war. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #99

Boy do I hope you are wrong about this oberliner Aug 2017 #115

Trumps culture war is obnoxious but the statues are coming down. ucrdem Aug 2017 #161

Fair question, but Trump has only been there for 7 months. DanTex Aug 2017 #97

No shit trump is worse. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #98

A thousand times yes. redstatebluegirl Aug 2017 #101

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #103

Hell yes... Miles Archer Aug 2017 #105

Personally yes D_Master81 Aug 2017 #107

The only thing Trump has over Bush is that Trump hasn't invaded a country like Iraq yet. xor Aug 2017 #108

Is shit worse than diarrhoea ? kacekwl Aug 2017 #110

Incredibly...YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ElementaryPenguin Aug 2017 #111

Need you ask? Surely not! oppressedproletarian Aug 2017 #112

A Simple Case of Bad And Worse ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #116

Bush was an ordinary bad President. Trump is on another planet. pnwmom Aug 2017 #117

Yes Trump is far worse than Bush. The iraq war was a policy faiilure JI7 Aug 2017 #119

America invaded Iraq because the Bush administration wanted a war oberliner Aug 2017 #121

Yeah they believed all the crap about freedom and welcoming with flowers JI7 Aug 2017 #122

Absolutely Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2017 #120

Bush espoused bad policies. Trump betrays human decency. nt LAS14 Aug 2017 #124

Bush did a lot more than just espouse bad policies oberliner Aug 2017 #130

Yeah, but Trump is a spectacularly awful human being as well. So he wins. LAS14 Aug 2017 #162

CIA torture sites? Abu Ghraib? Falujah? Extraordinary renditions? Guantanamo? Jose Padilla? ucrdem Aug 2017 #126

Some folks seem to have amnesia with respect to Bush oberliner Aug 2017 #129

Kerry and Clinton were ripped to shreds over their Iraq war VOTES. ucrdem Aug 2017 #135

BIGLY worse... I didn't think it would be possible, but it's already not even close bellmartin Aug 2017 #127

Yes, he is. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2017 #133

Yes shenmue Aug 2017 #134

Do you remember the Bush Scorecard of Evil? oberliner Aug 2017 #136

Yes RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #137

I really miss Dubya Turbineguy Aug 2017 #139

Yes. Exponentially. CanonRay Aug 2017 #143

Trump is a much worse person, and alarmingly corrosive to the social fabric and our institutions. cemaphonic Aug 2017 #144

Bush was inept and maybe corrupt. Trump is evil, inept, racist and corrupt. Liberty Belle Aug 2017 #145

Bush declared "Marriage Protection Week" oberliner Aug 2017 #150

and Trump is still worse JI7 Aug 2017 #151

Trump is on track to be the worst president in our nation's history. Kaleva Aug 2017 #147

For 8 years... tonedevil Aug 2017 #149

Bush was a dummy MFM008 Aug 2017 #152

isis & destruction of ancient stuff. w still wins. pansypoo53219 Aug 2017 #153

Worse than Bush 43, yes. Worse than Cheney? DeminPennswoods Aug 2017 #154

Yes, Trump is worse. Worse than Bush. Worse than Nixon. Worse than Grant, and maybe Harding. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2017 #155

Why do we do this? MyNameGoesHere Aug 2017 #157

That is a bit extreme oberliner Aug 2017 #159

Yes MyNameGoesHere Aug 2017 #160

Absolutely. Dubya, for all his dimwittedness, had a smidgeon of compassion. Vinca Aug 2017 #158

Are you fucking kidding me with that question? louis c Aug 2017 #163

Yes Gothmog Aug 2017 #164