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478. Can't agree to give up on facts you find inconvenient to your beliefs

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 02:02 PM

Aug 2017

Here's another article in the NYT (using several different surveys) for you:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html?mcubz=0

The quote from it: But postelection surveys, pre-election surveys, voter file data and the actual results all support the main story: The voters who switched from President Obama to Mr. Trump were decisive.

You have a belief that the facts aren't facts because they don't fit with your preconceived ideas. There is a group that fits that description and it's just as wrong for them to follow that path as it is for a Democrat. Saying you can rip holes in these studies doesn't make it so. You are just trying to defend a belief which is totally contradicted by facts. Unless you think the NYT is fake news. I will not accepth that or that it is ok for someone to ignore facts and reasoning.

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I am happy to say that I qualify! get the red out Aug 2017 #1

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GMTA NurseJackie Aug 2017 #143

... lapucelle Aug 2017 #264

Thanks for a second thread, then, NurseJackie. And THANK YOU, Admin! Hortensis Aug 2017 #373

Moi aussi! ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #2

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That is not what Skinner said...someone posted it yesterday and Nurse did above. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #381

This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #481

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Well, then... okay. Goodbye! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #5

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Guess we do like litmus tests zipplewrath Aug 2017 #30

This is a website for Democrats. murielm99 Aug 2017 #44

Nothing zipplewrath Aug 2017 #46

Well, there was only one Democrat running in the GE in 2016... nt ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #49

Actually there were hundreds zipplewrath Aug 2017 #67

You mean voting for the Democratic presidential candidate? ehrnst Aug 2017 #85

I get it zipplewrath Aug 2017 #113

I think the fact that Trump is the president is the point ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #132

Not sure it is zipplewrath Aug 2017 #299

The thing is, if you are supporting Democratic candidates Control-Z Aug 2017 #349

The "purity tests" that refer to Democratic candidates sticking with the Democratic Platform? ehrnst Aug 2017 #221

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Then you know some very foolish people. MineralMan Aug 2017 #71

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This Bernie sister voted for her. Lunabell Aug 2017 #96

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I think so Phentex Aug 2017 #416

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I'm not American. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #106

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I'm sorry did you just 'Brazil-splain' American Democratic Party politics to us? No thanks. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #144

Well, I don't buy into this... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #147

Stay or go, I don't care what you think and I care less for your presumption that it matters. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #152

Ok, then. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #154

I'll think, "if only that Brazilian person had voted in our election illegally?" GIVE ME A BREAK. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #159

You sound exactly like the xenophobic jerks of FreeRepublic. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #164

It's not xenophobia at all - it's not your place to presume to advise US on Democratic politics. Nt FreepFryer Aug 2017 #167

Oh, give me a break. You spent hours talking about other countries... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #173

When we are talking about Brazilian politics I will listen gladly to your unsolicited opinion... FreepFryer Aug 2017 #175

Ok, pal! OBenario4 Aug 2017 #178

Wow, really? Comparing me to the KKK for pointing out that Americans don't need your opinions ? FreepFryer Aug 2017 #180

Honey, I don't who do you think you are... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #182

In ad hominem, you have now called me xenophobic, kkk, 'pal' and 'honey'. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #186

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Fake news huh? Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #466

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... emulatorloo Aug 2017 #207

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*facepalms Daxter Aug 2017 #168

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Apparently so... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #257

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You are confusing DU and Democratic Party outreach. SharonClark Aug 2017 #357

There's another post in there the OP probably won't like as much melman Aug 2017 #189

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Really mcar Aug 2017 #251

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It's really just that simple, isn't it? All this hemming and hawing, whining, complaining... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #255

It sure is... radical noodle Aug 2017 #286

Maybe there are some guilty consciences. betsuni Aug 2017 #345

You are correct. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #468

I voted for Hillary, no contest RandomAccess Aug 2017 #254

And please do remember most of us Bernie folks marlakay Aug 2017 #260

This OP does nothing of the sort. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #270

"Trump-enabling morons can find some other website" DesertRat Aug 2017 #268

I know, right? That was a great line! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #275

It's perfectly succinct DesertRat Aug 2017 #287

Vladimir must be laughing his ass off at this one pecosbob Aug 2017 #271

How so? What's so amusing? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #279

Umm, what? mcar Aug 2017 #301

Very clear if you ask me....and true! Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #277

:-D NurseJackie Aug 2017 #280

Pleased to say I qualify too! nightwing1240 Aug 2017 #278

If you didn't vote for Hillary, you stood by and let a madman assume control RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #283

Personally, I think its a dumb statement. I understand drawing lines so that you can narrow or focus JCanete Aug 2017 #288

I support this site and it's premise. I also support defacto7 Aug 2017 #290

Can someone tell me Mr.Bill Aug 2017 #291

We don't have to radical noodle Aug 2017 #305

In who's opinion? Mr.Bill Aug 2017 #309

I would imagine the same people radical noodle Aug 2017 #334

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Looks like you have it all correct. Goodbye. XRubicon Aug 2017 #297

Bye DarthDem Aug 2017 #300

Oh, how we'll miss you! johnp3907 Aug 2017 #307

Wow, people casually excusing voting for Bernie R B Garr Aug 2017 #314

How is that? torius Aug 2017 #365

If they failed to vote for the Democratic candidate, they don't belong here. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #387

Exactly. There was a destructive strategy promoted R B Garr Aug 2017 #434

And some and we know pretty well who they are ...still at it...with snide comments about Democrats. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #471

If you aren't part of the solution... Sparkly Aug 2017 #323

Agree! samplegirl Aug 2017 #295

Oh, sorry then. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #302

I'm sorry, too. Sparkly Aug 2017 #325

Not sure if that is wise....People have been known tochange their minds.... alittlelark Aug 2017 #306

They can still lurk and learn. Sparkly Aug 2017 #332

I voted for HTC both in the primaries and in the general GetRidOfThem Aug 2017 #310

I think the country is WAY too far gone for the ideal of coddling "like-minded liberals." Sparkly Aug 2017 #327

K&R Progressive dog Aug 2017 #312

I resemble that remark liberal N proud Aug 2017 #313

This is NUTS!!! How can you expand the vote the next time??????????????????????????????????????????? LAS14 Aug 2017 #315

There's more to the real world than this forum. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #321

They won't be reading DU for sure Phentex Aug 2017 #395

Kickety kick Cadfael Aug 2017 #319

Whoa -- you mean this is DEMOCRATIC Underground? Sparkly Aug 2017 #320

The question isn't "HRC GE voters" the question is ideologically blinded people. plimsoll Aug 2017 #324

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This isn't the protocol. johnp3907 Aug 2017 #329

OMG!! Report Skinner to Skinner!! Sparkly Aug 2017 #331

LOL! (Welcome to DU!) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #335

Am I correct in assuming this does not apply to non-US citizens, or ex-cons, or others Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #328

Well, I voted for her all of the way, even in 2008. However, Alice11111 Aug 2017 #333

I am disappointed with this. /nt philly_bob Aug 2017 #336

Why? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #338

Because it limits the spread of DU ideas to only one group. philly_bob Aug 2017 #443

Yes!! shenmue Aug 2017 #337

HRC is the only legitimate candidate that won the Presidential election. democratisphere Aug 2017 #339

Thank You NurseJackie.. Grassy Knoll Aug 2017 #340

I'm just the "messenger"... I didn't say it, I just spotted it and brought it here. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #350

My first vote SteelSmasher Aug 2017 #343

It was exciting Phentex Aug 2017 #421

Good. If you were too much of a holy roller to stop the Klan-endorsed candidate, what use are you? Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #344

I was wondering where all this in-fighting came from. romanic Aug 2017 #347

Infighting? I'm not seeing it. How do you mean? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #351

best line ever: orleans Aug 2017 #353

He shoud have put the link to Discussionist Phentex Aug 2017 #396

OMG! Yes! Perfect! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #403

Voting for HRC in the general was a no brainer for most of us. southerncrone Aug 2017 #354

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I don't see how your callow sarcasm is helpful here. chwaliszewski Aug 2017 #368

sounds good to me! Butterflies Aug 2017 #359

You and me both! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #361

This is exactly what we need fescuerescue Aug 2017 #360

Is this from 'Skinner' Skinner? Thee Skinner? sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #367

As a seen-the-light progressive who was until 2012 registered Libertarian... TommyCelt Aug 2017 #402

Hallelujah! I voted for HRC. electron_blue Aug 2017 #408

Sorry, teens. Find another site. n/t Orsino Aug 2017 #409

... Phentex Aug 2017 #419

He didn't correct his spelling of morans! obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #420

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Aug 2017 #422

Errr I'm Canadian. I voted NDP. TrogL Aug 2017 #424

A wise man once told me not to deconstruct the letter. ucrdem Aug 2017 #426

Midterms, midterms, midterms! Heartstrings Aug 2017 #425

Couldn't be more clear mcar Aug 2017 #427

Don't the folks that run DU also run Discussionist? vi5 Aug 2017 #428

Benie supporter here, voted for Hillary of course crim son Aug 2017 #430

Is there a time limit on this drmeow Aug 2017 #432

I voted for Ross Perot. Can I still post here? leftstreet Aug 2017 #433

Do you have compunction? sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #438

Well, technically my vote gave the US Clinton leftstreet Aug 2017 #442

Perot was an aberration. sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #448

United we stand, divided we fall. roamer65 Aug 2017 #437

While I don't give a shit about anyone who voted against Hillary, Flaleftist Aug 2017 #439

People who would vote for her today are welcome, of course. Hortensis Aug 2017 #456

They were Trump supporters anyway you look at it. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #482

Love! ellie Aug 2017 #457

Thank you! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #458

I guess it's a little controversial? BootinUp Aug 2017 #469

"Go figure" indeed! I know exactly what you mean... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #472

K&R Jamaal510 Aug 2017 #474

Thank you again Skinner. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #476

Why not update your OP to include the full statement? Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #477

Great thread Gothmog Aug 2017 #479

It's interesting to see the reactions. I'll never fully understand... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #480

I will never forgive the Greens, Saradon,Jill Stein (personally)...and Nina Turner for the role they Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #483

Neither will I. And you're correct, there is no remorse, because... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #490

They are smug and please with the outcome and continue to attack Democrats and the Party. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #491

That's it Wibly Sep 2017 #494