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In reply to the discussion: Lawsuit filed by conspiracy nuts against DNC is dismissed. [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)40. The judge did not make the ruling you ascribe to him.
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The idiot plaintiff claimed that donors are consumers under the DC deceptive trade practices act. That claim was adressed by the court when it ruled that donors have no standing. Only an idiot would make that claim. Reread the opinion. The court's finding that donors have no standing was a polite way of stating that this claim was too stupid to address. I literally laughed when i read this in the pleadings. Do you really believe that tnis claim has merit?
Your argument is that the DC Code section doesn't apply to donations to a political party or to a campaign. Judge Zloch didn't rule on that question.
You can't just say that the judge was merely being polite, use that characterization to dismiss the judge's actual reasoning, and substitute your own view of the law.
What Judge Zloch actually said:
* "In order to maintain a class action lawsuit, the class representativesas distinct from the putative class membersmust establish their standing to sue...." (Decision, page 12) He went on to cite federal precedents because, even in a case that alleges a violation of a state statute (or, as here, a DC Code provision), standing in a federal district court is tested under federal rules.
* There are "three basic elements of Article III standing:" (1) "an invasion of a legally protected interest";
(2) "a causal connection between the injury and the conduct complained of . . . .; and (3) a likelihood "that the injury will be redressed by a favorable decision. (Decision, pages 12-13)
Your argument about the DC Code provision goes to the first point. If the Code doesn't apply to political donations, then the DNC's actions didn't violate the Code and therefore didn't invade a legally protected interest. What you want, to support your view, is for Judge Zloch to go on and say exactly that.
But he didn't.
In the actual opinion, he had no need to consider that first element, and with it the scope of the DC Code provision, because he went right to the second element, causation:
* "Plaintiffs fail to allege any causal connection between their injuries and Defendants statements." (Decision, page 13) In that regard, Judge Zloch based his decision on the inadequacy of the complaint. The putative causal connection was that defendants' false statements, which violated the DC Code, caused the plaintiffs to make their donations. The complaint, however, while alleging that they made the donations, didn't adequately allege this element of reliance.
Consider an analogy. An automobile manufacturer publishes an ad in a DC newspaper in which it makes false claims about its cars. (You describe the DC Code provision as a "deceptive trade practices act" so I assume you agree it would apply to a newspaper ad for a consumer product.) This particular ad runs only in the DC area. Someone in DC reads the ad and buys a car; on the same day, someone in Seattle, who has not seen the ad, also buys one of these cars. Does the Seattle resident have standing to sue in federal court for the violation of the DC law? No, because that Seattle buyer didn't rely on the false statements in the ad and therefore wasn't injured by them. The DC law applies to this ad, so there is "a legally protected interest", but there's no causal connection between the violation of the DC law and any injury suffered by that particular plaintiff.
That's the problem the plaintiffs here had. The equivalent of seeing the misleading newspaper ad for a car would be reading the DNC charter that contains the neutrality provision. Judge Zloch ruled that the plaintiffs lacked standing because "not one of them alleges that they ever read the DNCs charter or heard the statements they now claim are false before making their donations." (Decision, page 13)
Did such false statements violate an interest that's legally protected by the DC Code provision? Judge Zloch didn't say Yes and he didn't say No. On either decision concerning that first element of the standing test, the plaintiffs would fail the second element, and that failure was enough to require dismissal of the case. Therefore, he didn't waste time trying to interpret the DC law.
You ask me if I think the claim under the DC Code provision has merit. I don't know. I haven't even read that provision, let alone any caselaw that it might have generated, so I'm not qualified to opine. What I can say is that, even if (as is probable) the drafters of the law weren't thinking about whether or not they were covering donations to political parties or campaigns, it's quite possible that they used broad language that would extend that far. This case could be covered even if that wasn't their intent. Leave originalism to Scalia and his ilk. A conservative friend of mine once groused to me, "The Fourteenth Amendment doesn't say anything about busing." No, it doesn't. Courts ordered busing anyway.
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The judge rejected a truly outrageous defense offered by the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Jim Lane
Aug 2017
#6
As a Democrat, I'm mortified that the people who brought the suit participated in my party's primary
DanTex
Aug 2017
#7
I think it's the Seth Rich crap that sent it OTT. Although amusing isn't the word I'd choose.
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#22
Point being, they are crackpots. And being upset he DNC used legal reasoning to explain their
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#25
The DNC's legal obligations don't depend on whether these individuals are crackpots.
Jim Lane
Aug 2017
#26
But they didn't go into a backroom at all. Some discussed their preferences and wish
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#27
They added four debates. And honestly that was too much because it was down to two
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#30
After much consideration...the best way to handle such things in the future is never allow
Demsrule86
Aug 2017
#56
The parties are in charge of the primary process and can do as they choose. This is why you
Demsrule86
Aug 2017
#82
Fair enough. I was using an informal notion of jurisdiction, which was incorrect on my part.
DanTex
Aug 2017
#12
"Fraud Actions Not Generically Unsuitable for Class Certification." That just screams "read me"!
DanTex
Aug 2017
#21
It's a good thing we have folks like you and Gothmog to tell us what the judge really meant.
Jim Lane
Aug 2017
#55
Is it your opinion that a new case in a DC court would be barred by res judicata?
Jim Lane
Aug 2017
#71
The first sentence says the judge recognizes that the redress is through the ballot box.
R B Garr
Aug 2017
#77
Here you go again. You keep spamming with irrelevant sidebars to what the judge
R B Garr
Aug 2017
#98
Yet you admitted in your post #8 that you hadn't even read the plaintiff's complaint.
R B Garr
Aug 2017
#101
lol, I prefer to read what the judge actually wrote. And what the plaintiff's actually wrote.
R B Garr
Aug 2017
#104
Ignoring what the judge actually said is what is hopeless and wrong. It looks like
R B Garr
Aug 2017
#115
Seriously, you make no sense. The most noticeable thing is you haven't read the
R B Garr
Aug 2017
#112
No, the judge didn't say the bias was real. Not a proud (as usual) moment for nutjobs.
Lil Missy
Aug 2017
#23
Now the courts won't act, even on evidence Democrats are abusing pizzas in the basement!
struggle4progress
Aug 2017
#17
I have less than no interest in discussing our party...I feel we need to discuss getting Trump
Demsrule86
Aug 2017
#57
I don't agree. No rules were violated. However, this is a lesson...no more non-Democrats should be
Demsrule86
Aug 2017
#81
Quite true using the Democratic party as a convenience to mount a campaign that might not be
Demsrule86
Aug 2017
#127
It is quite easy. Have you joined? For example, Senator Sandors has a 'I' next to his name
Demsrule86
Aug 2017
#126
People who care need to get involved earlier and work to change things which takes time....
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#49
My vision is that the candidate who got 4 million more votes should have her victory respected
stevenleser
Aug 2017
#78
They are playing Infowars against the Dems. These are Russian/Republican plants fighting Dems.
L. Coyote
Aug 2017
#45
A lot of the "Berniecrats" were manipulated by Trump and the Russians to schism Dems, no doubt
L. Coyote
Aug 2017
#54
Take heart! It appears that you're not alone in that belief. From what I can observe...
NurseJackie
Aug 2017
#60