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calimary

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34. Only problem is - there were MANY attempts to explain this concept.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 03:24 PM
Aug 2017

There were LEGIONS of explanations - look, Social Security is "Socialist." Our many government programs that you like and want and depend upon, THEY'RE "Socialist," too. Like that Medicare? Yep. Those roads and highways that we all use that were paid for by public funds? Those, too. Tax money? Yep. That annoying stuff that pays for everything from the National Weather Service and NOAA and - um - FEMA - to our military and all the expenses thereof. That as well. The basics of it IS as you say: "by pooling money together for a common goal, it ends up cheaper for everyone." The infrastructure that provides the very underpinnings for our way of life - that was built by the New Deal and other efforts, is paid for by OUR TAX MONEY.

Hell, as a Californian, living in what's called a DONOR state, I frankly resent knowing that my tax money is going to the red states who always run in the red and always take and need more than the tax money THEY pay in. I'd rather keep that tax money here in California. But I realize that the money needs to be spread out and shared - BECAUSE THERE'S GENUINE, LEGITIMATE NEED out there, beyond just my state line. Whenever I found myself wavering and not caring about what went on in other states, all I had to do was remember my kid, and his band buddies, in their little tour van, driving on roads that some states didn't bother repairing, or (Heaven FORBID!) bridges and overpasses that hadn't been maintained properly for years or hadn't been brought up to code. You bet I worried about that. My daughter and her husband and his family live several states away and you better believe I expect that infrastructure to be damn well maintained so THEY don't find themselves collapsed into a river that cuts through part of their small town. And hell, if that particular red state (unfortunately), doesn't want to pay or raise taxes to cover those repairs, well, okay then. Use my California tax money! It's gotta come from somewhere - if they're gonna be cheap-ass and pennywise/pound-foolish in that state.

We've explained this and explained this and explained this. Every so often, there were TV segments about it. Explaining and explaining and explaining.

But by Jove that didn't work. Just didn't. NOBODY paid any attention to the multitudes of pleas and efforts to educate and illuminate. These idiots just weren't gonna take delivery on a single syllable of it. Further proof of that was how all the "...ists" sort of melded together as one big ol' nasty epithet of libtard horribleness. Socialist-Communist-Fascist. These and more, all got lumped together in one big batch of toxic swill, indistinguishable one from another, and guaranteed to help turn voters away from voting for Democrats. Those terms all mean the same thing, right? Uh - NO. But you'd never guess that from hearing the teabaggers talk and misinterpret and blend the baloney, and dumb it down so even the dimmest of the reactionary dim bulbs on that side could "understand" it. Remember all those little old ladies in their wheelchairs and walkers at teabagger rallies - holding their signs that read alternately "NO Socialism" and "Keep your hands off MY MEDICARE!"

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Everyone OK with this? [View all] trof Aug 2017 OP
Socialism is only an evil word True Dough Aug 2017 #1
Just say safeinOhio Aug 2017 #9
NO. calimary Aug 2017 #18
Agree KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2017 #30
I get what you are saying LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #31
You can't use the old OK sign any more, now it means white power. StrictlyRockers Aug 2017 #32
Only problem is - there were MANY attempts to explain this concept. calimary Aug 2017 #34
"Keep your hands off MY MEDICARE!" LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #36
You're trying to impose a definition on a word with a continuum of meanings. Igel Aug 2017 #55
Thanks for the interesting response LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #57
The word "Democratic" already has a shadow over it. tiredtoo Aug 2017 #39
Both Texas senators leftynyc Aug 2017 #2
we should agree to pay for the relief effort but make these two beg for it on their knees. unblock Aug 2017 #6
I want that apology (n/t) leftynyc Aug 2017 #10
Double Ditto Achilleaze Aug 2017 #15
Ditto... Apology on national prime-time TV Number9Dream Aug 2017 #11
+1,000,000! dchill Aug 2017 #25
and recognizing that NYers are real Americans Sanity Claws Aug 2017 #26
and that somehow gays in the northeast are responsible for bad weather! unblock Aug 2017 #27
AND Californians. WE are "real America," too, dammit! calimary Aug 2017 #35
I don't know... syringis Aug 2017 #3
You expressed my thoughts perfectly lunatica Aug 2017 #4
Thank you Lunatica syringis Aug 2017 #16
You expressed your thoughts beautifully, syringis, and I agree with you 100% Glorfindel Aug 2017 #5
Thank you Glorfindel syringis Aug 2017 #19
Don't worry if your English is correct. A HERETIC I AM Aug 2017 #12
Thank you syringis Aug 2017 #21
WELL said, syringis. calimary Aug 2017 #38
Because it sometimes leads to dictatorships and starvation LittleBlue Aug 2017 #58
Strings SCVDem Aug 2017 #7
There is profit to be made in clean up IronLionZion Aug 2017 #8
OK Achilleaze Aug 2017 #13
I have a retired military son-in-law SHRED Aug 2017 #14
Many people think that if we were a Socialist Democracy that they couldn't be rich lunatica Aug 2017 #17
You are thinking of social programs, "Socialism" is the government owning the means of production. EX500rider Aug 2017 #20
Yeah - I was thinking the same thing oberliner Aug 2017 #23
... well, the 'government' being the public n/t leftstreet Aug 2017 #33
Which ends up being the govt in any population bigger then a village... EX500rider Aug 2017 #37
I've never seen anyone fight about use of firetrucks n/t leftstreet Aug 2017 #41
Me neither but fire trucks aren't Socialism. EX500rider Aug 2017 #42
In the US, we are the government leftstreet Aug 2017 #44
The US govt does not own Ford or GM, so not a socialist govt. EX500rider Aug 2017 #45
No, That Is Not Socialism Leith Aug 2017 #48
No, EX500rider Aug 2017 #50
Why narowly focus on production? IronLionZion Aug 2017 #56
Goods and services are not the same thing. EX500rider Aug 2017 #59
If a Republican tells you to ,,, Cryptoad Aug 2017 #22
As a Texan, I really want to ask the secessionists this question. hamsterjill Aug 2017 #24
Let's see to who the clean up money GOES to !! vkkv Aug 2017 #28
Boots-on-the-ground will be companies like this: trof Aug 2017 #29
Some problems are best approached by a group rock Aug 2017 #40
Far too many idiots believe the market is the cure for all things worldly. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #43
Americans are learning: Solidarity is the essence of social-ism. ancianita Aug 2017 #46
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Aug 2017 #47
Repubs want to do away with FEMA, don't they? nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #49
I myself am an ardent believer in .... DonaldsRump Aug 2017 #51
They exploit the ambiguity of the word 'socialism' LovesPNW Aug 2017 #52
Cuts tiptonic Aug 2017 #53
Yup. If you think libertarians are all about helping people in desperate need of help, Nitram Aug 2017 #54
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