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Igel

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38. No.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 06:10 PM
Aug 2017

And while it's not unreasonable to speculate, that's always true. So it's perfectly okay.0

Picture this: Obama won in 2008. He did certain things that McCain wouldn't, and McCain would have done different things.

Now let's say in 2024 there's a war with Russia that drags in China over North Korea (who does something opportunistically stupid) and we can point confidently back to events in 2014 as the point at which things seem to flow towards that war.

But what if we think McCain would have done something differently?

Suddenly we'd have to say that the 2008 election was a mistake. In hindsight. Maybe. But really, I can't imagine a worse waste of time unless you're an academic in search of some article or a writer in search of some story. We're people. We do the best we can. Electing Obama was the best choice given what was known at the time. And at that point, if we have done the best we can we score a 100%. That's what we expect for ourselves. That's the same standard I hold others to. I personally think I'd miss an important moral and ethical point if I did elsehow.

That kind of speculation can be soul-gutting and pointless. We make the choice that we make based on current information and likely predictions. We get it wrong sometimes. Oh, well. Recriminations are pointless. The choice that fits the current information we have and the predictions we have is the right and ethical choice. Think of it as "by definition." We may look back and say that it turned out to be wrong, but the best use of that judgment is to educate us, it's not a moral condemnation. This is a point many miss, who are big into the judgment business based entirely upon their current standards of knowledge and currently accepted principles. If we assume that others judge us morally in some important or defensible way we're forever second guessing ourselves--which can lead to the even more lethal indecision. It's a luxury that armchair quarterbacks can take, but when you're actually calling the shots you do the best you can and let the armchair quarterbacks show their empathy and compassion by looking at reasonable mistakes and saying, "Ah, yes, you had to make a decision and were limited by being human instead of being omniscient and all-wise, so you are praised for doing the very best you could ... No more can be expected." It's vaguely condescending, but only if you take it as such. The future always know more about how the immediate future will turn out than we do, and often knows a bit more about the immediate past. I take it as a point of honor to say, "Yeah, I messed up with this, but I'm going to learn from my mistake." With no further justification needed if the grounds for the cock-up are already known and reasonable.

Are there things to learn from Harvey. Sure. The very statement justifies some mistakes.

Best not to ruminate over reasonable choices reasonably arrived at. We're human. I don't hold Turner or Emmet or anybody else to a higher standard, and I don't make a distinction based on party--everybody's human, people make mistakes (not "mistakes happen"--it's okay to make a reasonable, best option mistake, people).

BTW, this entire "evacuate or not" seems a much bigger issue on DU than it does in Houston, at least for my social network such as it is. Can't speak for the rest of the country. Don't watch the MSM, can't stomach any of them.

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better not sorry when not safe librechik Aug 2017 #1
nobody could predict flooding following massive rainfall! unblock Aug 2017 #2
when you worship anti-intellectualism librechik Aug 2017 #4
This was a decision exactly in keeping with the one taken Igel Aug 2017 #32
Last time they tried to evacuate they had 100 people die on jam packed highways lostnfound Aug 2017 #8
The largest evacuation in US history was just south of two million people. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #34
Where would 4 million people go? nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #3
exactly nt steve2470 Aug 2017 #5
Trumpsters think there are FEMA camps waiting for them when the liberals take over librechik Aug 2017 #6
More like 7 million. B2G Aug 2017 #7
Calling bullshit on part of this Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #9
Yep, there should have been targets zones evacuated, and yes they have map...and 4139 Aug 2017 #12
The issue isn't the flood maps marylandblue Aug 2017 #13
You evacuate anywhere with increased risk Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #14
+1, at least tell people on the news WHICH lower lying areas to evacuate instead of people guessing uponit7771 Aug 2017 #27
A simple way to do it would be color coded street signs or curbs Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #30
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2017 #37
Would be. Igel Aug 2017 #39
And homeowners can read these maps as well. B2G Aug 2017 #16
Yes- and you should be aware of it for your home Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #19
I can't believe they wouldn't know. B2G Aug 2017 #20
You would be amazed. Plus many people rent Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #21
Yep, very good points. nt B2G Aug 2017 #23
On the difficulty of figuring out where the floodplain is marylandblue Aug 2017 #25
OK matt819 Aug 2017 #35
It's more complicated. Igel Aug 2017 #36
The Fort Bend judge just showed their 58-foot "inundation map" for his county. Igel Aug 2017 #40
... alcibiades_mystery Aug 2017 #10
Look up Hurricane Rita Gothmog Aug 2017 #11
pretty much Johonny Aug 2017 #18
No, you evacuate by priority of lowest lying areas and they knew which ones those were and could uponit7771 Aug 2017 #28
People are stupid on steroids Cosmocat Aug 2017 #29
At this point in time the choices were limited. delisen Aug 2017 #15
They made the right call. nt Blue_true Aug 2017 #17
Will we ever be sure of that? Orsino Aug 2017 #24
Life works that way. That is why competent people must be put into office. Blue_true Aug 2017 #31
No. Igel Aug 2017 #38
It's not hard to see that it was the right call FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #22
Having driven in rush hour Houston traffic Phoenix61 Aug 2017 #26
After Rita malaise Aug 2017 #33
I agree, steve2470. Horrible decision to have to make, but - raven mad Aug 2017 #41
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