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45. I'm more cynical than you are, Stuart

Mon Aug 28, 2017, 10:31 PM

Aug 2017

It doesn't matter how much evidence there is. His supporters won't believe it. Just look at climate change. People believe what they want to believe, no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary.

I've been following politics since McGovern in 1972, and I've never seen the cult-like following that Trump has. The 35% follow him like they are in rapture. This cult of personality, of course, is one of the characteristics of fascism.

BTW, Nixon had a more unbiased press that helped bring him down. Trump has Fox News that will cover for all his lies and flaws.

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Mueller will get Trump, I said this before, and I will say it again. [View all] Stuart G Aug 2017 OP

Agreed, but there will be a s**tload of bots, articles re: "fake news" Iliyah Aug 2017 #1

Perhaps...but I think that when it happens..most will agree..it will be clear.. Stuart G Aug 2017 #3

I'm banking on this. badhair77 Aug 2017 #2

As long as the Repug's covertly have Mueller's back, he will get his man. Orangeutan Aug 2017 #4

I believe a number of pukes will have Mueller's back.. Stuart G Aug 2017 #8

It will come down to BushInc. blm Aug 2017 #9

Welcome DU, Orangeutan! calimary Aug 2017 #33

Thanks! Orangeutan Aug 2017 #70

even so AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #5

I am believing that more and more as each minute passes! BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #19

I have the opposite view mnmoderatedem Aug 2017 #31

They might want Pence... EL34x4 Aug 2017 #74

Trump will walk just like Bush did. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #43

Remember Reagan Ohiya Aug 2017 #67

Handing over the Country to Russia for a handful of $beans$ strikes ME annabanana Aug 2017 #88

I agree 100% Ohiya Aug 2017 #90

I agree, but, as a longtime Mueller watcher I will weigh in with this.. blm Aug 2017 #6

I want him to take his time and make his case airtight gratuitous Aug 2017 #7

I believe you are correct..and Mueller will take his time.. Stuart G Aug 2017 #10

I appreciate this post, as I was about to feel that all is lost. nt jrthin Aug 2017 #11

All is not lost...Mueller needs time to get that iron clad information. Stuart G Aug 2017 #12

But, the obstruction of justice charge will be brought by the grand jury also. L. Coyote Aug 2017 #18

I agree, but it won't have anything to do with Jim Comey's firing Shanti Mama Aug 2017 #13

You are correct.."..it won't have anything to do with Jim Comey's firing" Stuart G Aug 2017 #15

Links please? pangaia Aug 2017 #14

It's clear to me that the OP is expressing his personal opinion. Mister Ed Aug 2017 #50

Guess i should have included tge sarcasm thingy pangaia Aug 2017 #53

Doh! Sorry to be so dense. Mister Ed Aug 2017 #62

Ha ha..i am honored. pangaia Aug 2017 #79

NY AG Schneiderman will get Trump too. No pardon remedy there. L. Coyote Aug 2017 #16

Give us a time-frame. n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #17

Can't leftynyc Aug 2017 #63

Yes...but SayItLoud Aug 2017 #20

If he does the multiple pardon thing then the pukes will impeach. Ligyron Aug 2017 #30

At which point he resigns Wednesdays Aug 2017 #51

Hurry ! Hurry ! Before he puts us in WWIII ! YOHABLO Aug 2017 #21

Don't worry about that FakeNoose Aug 2017 #57

The FBI always get their man. They have the lawyers, forensic accountants, agents in 51 ancianita Aug 2017 #22

if trump resigns what happens to the investigation? samnsara Aug 2017 #23

It will proceed and trump won't control pardons Le Gaucher Aug 2017 #39

Mueller is not "out to get" Trump. He's investigating some allegations and will go where... Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #24

Timing matters Equinox Moon Aug 2017 #25

There's always state charges! flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #46

In which case, tRump will just sit in the White House and say, Wednesdays Aug 2017 #52

It's Mueller Time... pbmus Aug 2017 #26

I have some doubts Mueller will be the one who is still around Jarqui Aug 2017 #27

So..he pardons .." a bunch of his gang...to buy time"..and fires Mueller.. Stuart G Aug 2017 #29

Trump will pardon Flynn manafort trump Jr and then himself Stargleamer Aug 2017 #28

I am not sure he can pardon himself...??? Stuart G Aug 2017 #32

Interesting TIME profile of Mueller, from 2001: klook Aug 2017 #34

The link above.."Straight Shooter With a Moving Target" is outstanding.. Stuart G Aug 2017 #37

That passage struck me, too. klook Aug 2017 #38

If he does, Trump will become a martyr for the fascist cause Poiuyt Aug 2017 #35

I am not so sure of that...If Muller gets Trump...then the evidence will be overwhelming.. Stuart G Aug 2017 #40

I'm more cynical than you are, Stuart Poiuyt Aug 2017 #45

Who gives a crap if the deplorables don't leftynyc Aug 2017 #65

I agree with you. His supporters will deny reality forever. phylny Aug 2017 #77

I sincerely hope Mueller is watching out for his safety ailsagirl Aug 2017 #36

I agree. nt. Stuart G Aug 2017 #41

The problem is, we'll have to fight Trump's pardon's of himself and his minions in court. Nitram Aug 2017 #42

I wish I was as sure as you davekriss Aug 2017 #44

Trump or the GOP edhopper Aug 2017 #47

I love this OP. Thannnk you! BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2017 #48

on that day i will celebrate. next pence. AllaN01Bear Aug 2017 #49

How to Impeach Trump: Tell him that Obama wanted to be impeached, but failed at it. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #54

I love this post. You're so right about Mueller making R B Garr Aug 2017 #55

When, for God's sake, when? nt Laffy Kat Aug 2017 #56

I will believe it when or if it happens. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #58

It's not going to happen Awsi Dooger Aug 2017 #59

I don't think you understand something leftynyc Aug 2017 #66

LOCK HIM UP! Bladewire Aug 2017 #60

Yes!! PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #61

And he knows it. MFM008 Aug 2017 #64

The shadow of Mueller stalking him has him spooked The Blue Flower Aug 2017 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Aug 2017 #69

Lets say he does, what next? yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #71

I think no matter what happens..the Republicans will indeed put party over country. Stuart G Aug 2017 #72

Yup yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #73

This is one of the few things that keeps me going Maeve Aug 2017 #75

I am sure a man like Trump would offend a man like Mueller DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #76

Trump will be out? SpankMe Aug 2017 #78

Yes but sadly it may be too late SHRED Aug 2017 #80

I wish I had your confidence in our legal system. Scruffy1 Aug 2017 #81

Stuart G, in NORMAL circumstances I'd agree with you. But these ain't normal times. Texin Aug 2017 #82

I agree. Not sure the consequences for Trump will be sufficient but he will be got. Caliman73 Aug 2017 #83

Mueller will find enough, IMO, but it will go nowhere. Loge23 Aug 2017 #84

I try to feel that way but sometimes... lunatica Aug 2017 #85

If I had a nickle for every post in the early 2000's that ran with an OP headline.... LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #86

As long as he checks his brakes every day Doug the Dem Aug 2017 #87

I really hope you are correct NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #89