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LiberalLovinLug

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57. Thanks for the interesting response
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 11:46 PM
Aug 2017

Yes, there are various definitions AND interpretations of each of those definitions based on historical context, and who is doing the defining.

I, and Bernie Sanders, and I think most on the left know how impossible it would be today to have a true Marxist socialist form of government where they own the banking system, right on down to overseeing every factory in the country. Russia kind of ruined the idea for everyone. With help of course from the western elites that created the white army to invade and thus fomented a more militant draconian government in response. Creating the opportunity for assholes like Stalin to take hold. And with him went any hope of a truly socialist egalitarian system. And every right winger since has used Stalin's Russia as their bogey man example of "socialism". (Although today it might by Venezuela)

I am of course not using it in that pure original form but the European amalgamation of capitalism and socialism. Where they are for the most part capitalist societies. And the rich still hold a lot of sway. And the opportunity for corruption exists. But they are smart enough to realize that some things should be financed in a socialistic way. Some things should not be ruled by the profit margin, because they are set up for the benefit of everyone. Like public education, infrastructure, police, armed forced etc... and of course medical care.

Its just that last one that America still hasn't figured out yet.

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Everyone OK with this? [View all] trof Aug 2017 OP
Socialism is only an evil word True Dough Aug 2017 #1
Just say safeinOhio Aug 2017 #9
NO. calimary Aug 2017 #18
Agree KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2017 #30
I get what you are saying LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #31
You can't use the old OK sign any more, now it means white power. StrictlyRockers Aug 2017 #32
Only problem is - there were MANY attempts to explain this concept. calimary Aug 2017 #34
"Keep your hands off MY MEDICARE!" LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #36
You're trying to impose a definition on a word with a continuum of meanings. Igel Aug 2017 #55
Thanks for the interesting response LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #57
The word "Democratic" already has a shadow over it. tiredtoo Aug 2017 #39
Both Texas senators leftynyc Aug 2017 #2
we should agree to pay for the relief effort but make these two beg for it on their knees. unblock Aug 2017 #6
I want that apology (n/t) leftynyc Aug 2017 #10
Double Ditto Achilleaze Aug 2017 #15
Ditto... Apology on national prime-time TV Number9Dream Aug 2017 #11
+1,000,000! dchill Aug 2017 #25
and recognizing that NYers are real Americans Sanity Claws Aug 2017 #26
and that somehow gays in the northeast are responsible for bad weather! unblock Aug 2017 #27
AND Californians. WE are "real America," too, dammit! calimary Aug 2017 #35
I don't know... syringis Aug 2017 #3
You expressed my thoughts perfectly lunatica Aug 2017 #4
Thank you Lunatica syringis Aug 2017 #16
You expressed your thoughts beautifully, syringis, and I agree with you 100% Glorfindel Aug 2017 #5
Thank you Glorfindel syringis Aug 2017 #19
Don't worry if your English is correct. A HERETIC I AM Aug 2017 #12
Thank you syringis Aug 2017 #21
WELL said, syringis. calimary Aug 2017 #38
Because it sometimes leads to dictatorships and starvation LittleBlue Aug 2017 #58
Strings SCVDem Aug 2017 #7
There is profit to be made in clean up IronLionZion Aug 2017 #8
OK Achilleaze Aug 2017 #13
I have a retired military son-in-law SHRED Aug 2017 #14
Many people think that if we were a Socialist Democracy that they couldn't be rich lunatica Aug 2017 #17
You are thinking of social programs, "Socialism" is the government owning the means of production. EX500rider Aug 2017 #20
Yeah - I was thinking the same thing oberliner Aug 2017 #23
... well, the 'government' being the public n/t leftstreet Aug 2017 #33
Which ends up being the govt in any population bigger then a village... EX500rider Aug 2017 #37
I've never seen anyone fight about use of firetrucks n/t leftstreet Aug 2017 #41
Me neither but fire trucks aren't Socialism. EX500rider Aug 2017 #42
In the US, we are the government leftstreet Aug 2017 #44
The US govt does not own Ford or GM, so not a socialist govt. EX500rider Aug 2017 #45
No, That Is Not Socialism Leith Aug 2017 #48
No, EX500rider Aug 2017 #50
Why narowly focus on production? IronLionZion Aug 2017 #56
Goods and services are not the same thing. EX500rider Aug 2017 #59
If a Republican tells you to ,,, Cryptoad Aug 2017 #22
As a Texan, I really want to ask the secessionists this question. hamsterjill Aug 2017 #24
Let's see to who the clean up money GOES to !! vkkv Aug 2017 #28
Boots-on-the-ground will be companies like this: trof Aug 2017 #29
Some problems are best approached by a group rock Aug 2017 #40
Far too many idiots believe the market is the cure for all things worldly. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #43
Americans are learning: Solidarity is the essence of social-ism. ancianita Aug 2017 #46
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Aug 2017 #47
Repubs want to do away with FEMA, don't they? nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #49
I myself am an ardent believer in .... DonaldsRump Aug 2017 #51
They exploit the ambiguity of the word 'socialism' LovesPNW Aug 2017 #52
Cuts tiptonic Aug 2017 #53
Yup. If you think libertarians are all about helping people in desperate need of help, Nitram Aug 2017 #54
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