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drray23

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29. they could have avoided the hazard alltogether.

Thu Aug 31, 2017, 08:13 AM

Aug 2017

regulation says that in case of impeding disaster you have to neutralize your organic peroxydes with another chemical compound to remove the risk of explosion. Your storage system is supposed to be setup to allow that.

They did not do it because it would have destroyed their supply. Instead they relied on keeping said chemicals cold. Obviously after they lost power that made the situation explosive. I am not sure whether texas lifted that regulation or the company ignored it.

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Flooded chemical plant near Houston now has "black plume of smoke." [View all] suffragette Aug 2017 OP

Bad to worse. democratisphere Aug 2017 #1

And after JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #2

Let 'em eat cake... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2017 #5

While I'm Pretty Big On Regulations. . . ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #24

they could have avoided the hazard alltogether. drray23 Aug 2017 #29

+1000 JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #35

Then They Violated The Regulations, Right? ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #41

They've been deregulating and it's not clear if this was required- according to the report I saw... bettyellen Aug 2017 #53

R-T-K Still Requires Filings With The Fed, Bettyellen ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #57

Well the people on site would have to neutralize the chemicals before abandoning the place- but they bettyellen Aug 2017 #58

You Make It Sound So Easy ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #61

Well it's apparent they had no viable contingency plan, so perhaps shouldn't have built near schools bettyellen Aug 2017 #62

Wasn't Densely Populated ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #77

Regs. KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2017 #51

Transport Hazmat JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #30

Oy. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #3

CNN reporting 2 explosions leftynyc Aug 2017 #4

And the company still won't tell anyone what chemicals are housed there malaise Aug 2017 #6

They make organic liquid peroxide. (Edited) bluepen Aug 2017 #8

Look after West Texas, no law should have been passed allowing malaise Aug 2017 #10

Is that a federal or state law you're referencing? bluepen Aug 2017 #13

State n/t malaise Aug 2017 #14

Which TX law? bluepen Aug 2017 #16

This article explains it-Abbot was Attorney General at the time leftynyc Aug 2017 #23

Thanks. The good news, of course, is that law won't bluepen Aug 2017 #31

Fear mongering? JonLP24 Aug 2017 #65

If you think state law supersedes federal, okay. bluepen Aug 2017 #66

Who said state law supersedes federal? JonLP24 Aug 2017 #68

Not so. bluepen Aug 2017 #69

That is from 2014 looks like before they changed the Texas state law JonLP24 Aug 2017 #70

TX state law means nothing bluepen Aug 2017 #71

Texas state law was to keep the info from the public JonLP24 Aug 2017 #72

State safety laws matter- and they lobbied GOP lawmakers to avoid them. bettyellen Aug 2017 #73

Federal law supersedes state law. bluepen Aug 2017 #74

It's still all available to fire departments and emergency responders Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #37

Take it up with the poster leftynyc Aug 2017 #47

Why won't they just say that? What are they hiding? dewsgirl Aug 2017 #12

I saw it in a story yesterday. bluepen Aug 2017 #15

I could have worded that a little better, I Rachel Maddow dewsgirl Aug 2017 #19

I hear ya. See just above and below this, regarding bluepen Aug 2017 #33

There different types of the chemicals and they claim they have less now of a dangerous kind--- bettyellen Aug 2017 #60

Umm, that's all going to be on file in many places Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #9

I'm With Lee On This ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #25

Yes, federal law requires disclosure of MSDS Sheets. bluepen Aug 2017 #32

Yes, I'm Aware Of That ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #43

Ok. Just answering the question you typed. bluepen Aug 2017 #46

"the plant has never experienced onethatcares Aug 2017 #7

If they want to buy insurance again they will rebuild smartly Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #36

Explosions heard now malaise Aug 2017 #11

CNN says 10 sheriff deputies taken to hospitals after breathing the fumes. NightWatcher Aug 2017 #17

First responders are in extreme danger in the area. A policeman died trying to get to work. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #21

"We must get rid of job killing regulations". oasis Aug 2017 #18

I'll Ask You The Same Question As Above ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #26

According to experts, there is something that could have been added that would have stopped the appleannie1943 Aug 2017 #28

Last night Rachel Maddow reported that they chose not to have this precaution available eleny Aug 2017 #48

Well I guess they won't have to worry about their bottom line anymore. appleannie1943 Aug 2017 #52

Your Posting With An Expert ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #59

The person making those comments was an investigate reporter for years on Texas chemical plants JonLP24 Aug 2017 #67

Don't Care ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #76

I was addressing the failsafe part JonLP24 Aug 2017 #79

What could they have done differently you ask? Justice Aug 2017 #54

That's Not What I Asked ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #56

Professor.... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2017 #75

That Is What I Just Said ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #78

#2. I remember Rachel saying the mandatory disclosure requirement oasis Aug 2017 #64

OMG. My heart is breaking for the whole area. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #20

How's all that Freedum, No Planning Laws and No Env. Laws working out for ya, Texas ? OnDoutside Aug 2017 #22

Cenk and TYT are delighted at this development, no doubt. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #27

There isn't any regulations that would have prevented this. UnFettered Aug 2017 #34

That's not true FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #38

Look up Crosby on a map B2G Aug 2017 #39

You are correct FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #45

Everything's is easier in hindsight UnFettered Aug 2017 #40

I don't think having backup generators up high is "hindsight" FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #42

But what would that do to the share price KatyMan Aug 2017 #44

See my posting #48 in this thread eleny Aug 2017 #49

oops - dupe removed eleny Aug 2017 #50

Texas Republicans Helped Chemical Plant That Exploded Lobby Against Safety Rules HAB911 Aug 2017 #55

Waiting to see if KMCO, 2 miles away, has same problem Ilsa Aug 2017 #63