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45. Not really. Flood waters do recede. They're receding as I type this

Thu Aug 31, 2017, 03:13 PM

Aug 2017

What we're talking about is a week or so for water to recede enough that an orderly lateral evacuation can be accomplished, if necessary.

People need at least 4 days of water. After that, supplies will come in. Sanitation will be a problem as toilets will not flush, but that's more of a cleanup problem than anything else. What people need is a space where they will not drown. That's what vertical evacuation is all about.

This is not about a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It's about survival, not amenities.

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How Houston was left to drown under Harvey [View all] guillaumeb Aug 2017 OP

Furthermore: guillaumeb Aug 2017 #1

Zoning doesn't fix 54" of rain. X_Digger Aug 2017 #2

No, but deliberately filling in wetlands and ignoring dams and other guillaumeb Aug 2017 #5

.. which isn't typically handled by zoning boards. I think the point went right over you. n/t X_Digger Aug 2017 #8

Speaking of points, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #15

Yes I did. Obviously the author (and you, apparently) don't know what zoning boards do in TX. n/t X_Digger Aug 2017 #18

Feel free to enlighten us all, and before doing so, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #22

Here you go: X_Digger Aug 2017 #25

How marvelous. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #27

Yes, I did. Post #10 has no bearing on the point under discussion. X_Digger Aug 2017 #29

We were actually discussing the entire post. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #33

You highlighted the passage on zoning in the OP. One assumes, for a reason. X_Digger Aug 2017 #35

I will wait for your opinion about what was discussed in the post. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #42

You'll notice post #10 is not in this subthread. Care to stay on point? X_Digger Aug 2017 #59

I intended to highlight the point guillaumeb Aug 2017 #65

So you demonstrate (again) that you don't know what zoning boards in Texas do. Thanks for that. X_Digger Aug 2017 #67

Interesting how you avoid commenting on what they do. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #69

I pointed you to the information, you have merely to read. n/t X_Digger Aug 2017 #71

Have a nice day. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #73

Do have fun with yourself. n/t X_Digger Aug 2017 #74

Quite obviously the main problem is in your specific reference to "in TX." TEXAS IS THE PROBLEM---OR WinkyDink Aug 2017 #62

Thanks, are you volunteering to come write zoning laws in Houston? X_Digger Aug 2017 #64

Nothing to say about the substance of the response? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #66

I gave it all the thought it deserved. n/t X_Digger Aug 2017 #68

Continuing a pattern? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #70

Responding to snark with as much thought as it engenders. X_Digger Aug 2017 #72

There are no zoning regulations in Houston. You obviously don't know what zoning boards pnwmom Sep 2017 #79

Guns are the answer to this jpak Aug 2017 #61

Wrong. Zoning boards direct housing development away from flood plains, pnwmom Sep 2017 #78

Done correctly, yes it does. L. Coyote Aug 2017 #40

Who (specifically) argued that it would? LanternWaste Aug 2017 #46

Oh look, someone else who didn't notice the highlight in the OP. X_Digger Aug 2017 #60

You don't appear to know what the sentence in bold means. pnwmom Sep 2017 #80

Wow. This is how dumb RW ideas happen. Seriously? kcr Sep 2017 #77

Zoning wouldn't have helped all that much Warpy Aug 2017 #3

Did you read the part about filling in wetlands? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #6

Yes, but that is hardly exclusive to Houston Warpy Aug 2017 #21

Your points are appreciated, and illustrative of a system guillaumeb Aug 2017 #24

That's why you can't do lateral evacuation of a city like Houston Warpy Aug 2017 #31

But building vertically would require substantial investment in infrastructure, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #36

A vertical city would have its own logistical issues. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #43

Not really. Flood waters do recede. They're receding as I type this Warpy Aug 2017 #45

The evacuation will be neccessary. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #47

No kidding. This is where Federal and state help need to come in Warpy Aug 2017 #48

Right on target. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #49

houstons metro buses are used to bus people to the closest shelters. Airports are still closed. Sunlei Aug 2017 #37

They would need a system whereby literally every building could be checked guillaumeb Aug 2017 #44

You have a prioritized list and do it in order Not Ruth Aug 2017 #39

I believe that both Addicks and Barker dams are federal. n/t oneshooter Aug 2017 #54

Whixh does not lessen the need to keep infrastructure in good repair. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #56

But it is FEDERAL LAND. The state can do nothing without their permission. n/t oneshooter Aug 2017 #76

The public schools were first emergency shelters. I could see the flashing police lights at a school Sunlei Aug 2017 #9

Nothing could have stopped it Nevernose Aug 2017 #75

Name any usa city that can take 50 inches of rain in a week. Sunlei Aug 2017 #4

The fourth largest city, with no zoning regulations. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #7

Houston has local zoning, its very hard to find places with unincorporated homes in the houston area Sunlei Aug 2017 #11

See post #10 guillaumeb Aug 2017 #20

so what, the Republicans fuck up and politicize everything to their advantage. They build mansions Sunlei Aug 2017 #23

Unregulated capitalism in action. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #26

yup. shuting down twitter and facebook is the answer. Sunlei Aug 2017 #30

So the storm's politicized. Igel Aug 2017 #41

Oh, probably several zipplewrath Aug 2017 #55

Denver? WinkyDink Aug 2017 #63

Trump team politicizes superstorm Harvey by attacking scientists for doing their job L. Coyote Aug 2017 #10

what will be really bad is a hurricane with storm surge. The entire of Florida will wash out to sea. Sunlei Aug 2017 #14

A nice map. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #16

Translation: Crap source plays armchair quarterback. FSogol Aug 2017 #12

See post #10, and label that as a "crap source" also if you wish. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #17

everything drains to the gulf in houston. Sunlei Aug 2017 #28

Not what I asked, and your original claim was about qualifications. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #32

why are you arguing? I'm in SSW Houston & have met with at least 100 people in past 5 days. Sunlei Aug 2017 #38

Although it would be hard, if not impossible, to plan for 50 inches of rain, building where the Shrike47 Aug 2017 #13

Judging by a number of responses so far, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #19

Any city can plan for 50 inches of rain, meadowlander Aug 2017 #34

K & R malaise Aug 2017 #50

Very true. And thank you. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #51

+++++++++++ HAB911 Aug 2017 #53

K&R underpants Aug 2017 #52

Florida fixed our problems when we took the recommendations of James Watts during Clinton's kerry-is-my-prez Aug 2017 #57

But the GOP promotes the wide open business climate of Texas as a model. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #58