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MarvinGardens

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27. If people are walking down the streets of my city with swastikas,

Thu Aug 31, 2017, 06:24 PM

Aug 2017

fascist symbols, chanting nazi or fascist slogans, then at the very least they are guilty of menacing or criminal intimidation, and maybe:

Conspiracy to commit mass murder.
Conspiracy to commit mass kidnapping.
Conspiracy to violate the 14th amendment.

But the police don't arrest them. I believe people have a natural right to defend themselves and their communities. That being said, the law may not be interpreted this way.

To those who say the antifa are not proportional, I disagree. Ever notice that few antifa carry guns? Maybe none? I used to wonder why, but I have come to see that this is strategic. First, it reduces the odds of violent suppression of antifa by the police. Second, if the nazis use deadly force, they will look like the bad guys, because their use of force will appear disproportionate.

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Obviously, they are trying to target large urban areas... Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #1

Amen to that. ancianita Aug 2017 #2

"in cities where they know they are not welcome" FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #3

They are not welcome in Berkeley, arguably the most liberal community in the USA. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #5

Then why did the progressive (Bernie Sanders-endorsed) Mayor of Berkeley... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #4

What forms do rejections of fascism take, then? What has worked to stop its growth so far? ancianita Aug 2017 #6

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Of course it's not difficult to understand. You can drop the shade casting. Of course I'd support it ancianita Aug 2017 #10

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Noam Chomsky is wrong. Silence allows all the genocides he's ever covered. I've read him, ancianita Aug 2017 #12

Chompsy is wrong, the Mayor of Berkeley is wrong, I'm wrong, everyone is wrong... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #14

Clever by half. You don't represent everyone. Some leaders are mistaken.Chomsky is no authority on ancianita Aug 2017 #18

Explain, exactly, how people of good will have prevented the growth of 900+ fascist groups so far. ancianita Aug 2017 #13

+1000 leftynyc Aug 2017 #24

I support their cause leftynyc Aug 2017 #7

If I defend my kids from being intimidated, bullied, even hit, is my cause just? Is my due force ancianita Aug 2017 #8

Self defense, legally and morally, is about proportionally Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #16

That is a thoughtful and knowledgable response. MindPilot Aug 2017 #19

You can apply different standards but the law is the same Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #22

How many Nazis would you say are in the GOP right now? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #26

Thanks for your thoughts. It's judgment. Standing on the street in the face of hate, you can see ancianita Aug 2017 #20

What part of I'll never condone leftynyc Aug 2017 #23

Fair enough, free country. Who decides "immediate danger"? Me in my home? Or you, outside my ancianita Aug 2017 #25

Good citizens just need to stay home and tweet "resist" leftstreet Aug 2017 #15

Thanks for reading! ancianita Aug 2017 #21

Don't you know the American Left must be Ghandi crossed with MLK? maxsolomon Aug 2017 #17

Indeed. It's ugly. It's going to get uglier. We need to keep a chronology of these current clashes ancianita Aug 2017 #28

Be sure to count smashed windows and overturned newspaper boxes as "violence" maxsolomon Aug 2017 #31

LOL yeah that's what counts. Property. ancianita Aug 2017 #32

If people are walking down the streets of my city with swastikas, MarvinGardens Aug 2017 #27

I agree. Amplification by media are almost always the false equivalency source for these claims. ancianita Aug 2017 #29

It's damned sad that antifa have to check themselves with "taking a knife to a gunfight" attitude. ancianita Aug 2017 #30

Thank you, again and again, for the work you are doing on DU Coventina Aug 2017 #33

Thank you back! I'll quote my favorite TV writer, and free speech absolutist, Jenji Kohan, ancianita Sep 2017 #34