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MFrohike

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113. 2 for 4, not bad

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 04:06 PM

Dec 2011

Ugh, I feel like I'm defending Ron Paul, who I detest, but I detest not telling the truth even more. Your claim of his support of war with Iraq and Iran is demonstrably false. He voted against IWR and is busy being attacked nonstop for his opposition to current policy with Iran (as well as mocking the idea of a war with Iran). He is effectively for banning abortion since his "states' rights" approach is consistent with a wingnut view of regulating morality. I won't go so far as to say he wants to criminalize homosexuality, but he sure was keen to trumpet the endorsement of a pastor who does. The old saying about birds of a feather incline me to agree with you on that.

I really dislike Ron Paul. The guy has some accurate insights into a variety of problems in modern America. He also has some amazing fantasies about modern America, such as his entire economic and monetary platform. My problem with him is that he is incapable of combining those insights with real (and realistic) vision. His plan for regulating the financial world amounts to giving the burglar in your home the gun in your hand and asking him very politely not to steal too much stuff. It's just ludicrous. I find his faith in "free markets" to be absolutely mind boggling given the fact that even if you completely took government out of the marketplace tomorrow, Goldman Sachs would be bribing them to pass favorable laws the day after. He can't see past the end of his own nose.

Personally, I don't much care for the attacks on his views on social policies. His views on economic and monetary policy are a lot closer to the mainstream of the right than most realize. The difference is that he's open about it. I would rather see him attacked on the economic side because if that argument gets won, it gets easier to open a broad attack on the neoliberal consensus. If you walk through the fantasies and fallacies of the "free markets" approach, ground can be cleared for positive vision. I don't much expect that to happen, but it's what I would like.

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Glenn Greenwald is an asshat for his support of Ron Paul. [View all] MineralMan Dec 2011 OP

You really should have picked a better quotation MFrohike Dec 2011 #1

This post was not about my opinion of Greenwald, MineralMan Dec 2011 #11

Uh MFrohike Dec 2011 #21

Proof? Mineral Man doesn't need no stinkin' proof. It's just his opinion that Greenwald supports Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #36

Bullshit. Paul supports war with Iraq, Iran, abortion bans, and criminalizing homosexuality. TheWraith Dec 2011 #105

2 for 4, not bad MFrohike Dec 2011 #113

"Personally, I don't much care for the attacks on his views on social policies." TheWraith Dec 2011 #115

Here's what I think MFrohike Dec 2011 #117

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #122

Your opinion is clouding your judgment proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #51

No, he just sings his praises as a good choice for liberals. TheWraith Dec 2011 #108

You and I have a different definition for the word "support." Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2011 #2

Apparently, yes. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #7

NAZI! gratuitous Dec 2011 #9

Yes, I suppose we do. MineralMan Dec 2011 #12

Election Season: where the simple-minded can't distinguish between Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #14

You claimed he "supports" RP. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2011 #19

So the point of your post is not the point of your post? I see. Thanks. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #102

What if you write hfojvt Dec 2011 #17

I've seen stranger things taken as support. MineralMan Dec 2011 #34

To anyone with a brain larger than, say, a pea? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2011 #49

He was not a vegetarian oberliner Dec 2011 #99

K & R. n/t FSogol Dec 2011 #3

Greenwald is an asshat for supporting Citizen's United. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #4

That, too, but again not the point of my OP. MineralMan Dec 2011 #27

I agree. I just expressed my opinion, too. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #39

I demand nothing. I simply respond to your reply. MineralMan Dec 2011 #40

I love reading your OP's. They end up being the most circular threads ever. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #46

Thanks! MineralMan Dec 2011 #63

Is there any other candidate promoting the end of the war on drugs, the end of Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #5

That bears repeating: Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2011 #13

Or who has had his very own racist newsletter? Nt arely staircase Dec 2011 #18

That is true. But that has nothing to do with the theme of Greenwald's article Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #41

No it was not the theme of the article arely staircase Dec 2011 #58

Is the statement about the "white supremacist" that he is against the empire and the war on drugs... JackRiddler Dec 2011 #103

David Duke may be in favor of Medicare for all and free college tuition. Who could possibly care? arely staircase Dec 2011 #118

Can you name a national Republican who will not pursue racist policies? JackRiddler Dec 2011 #119

I can only name one who published his very own white supremacist newsletter. Ron Paul. arely staircase Jan 2012 #125

You're right, Gingrich only published books. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #127

I saw that sig line. It's interesting that you missed the point of my post MineralMan Dec 2011 #20

Your title clearly states that Greenwald supports Paul. Greenwald says otherwise. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #28

No but if that was the thing you chose to arely staircase Dec 2011 #60

Another person who did not read the article. That quote isn't even close to the focus. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #64

I know his focus was the surveillance state arely staircase Dec 2011 #66

I posted the wrong link. Below is the correct one. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #72

Greenwald makes a valid point. arely staircase Dec 2011 #75

well put. but hey, his shtick has an audience, and it's how he makes his living. i think a lot of dionysus Dec 2011 #6

Except for the fact that it is untrue. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #8

I admire his ability to earn a living with his words. MineralMan Dec 2011 #24

I hope you don't start your HVAC articles with ... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2011 #84

Does that mean that you are pro-war, pro surveillance state, pro crony capitalism, and pro drug-war? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #10

No, it does not mean that at all. It means that I have quoted an MineralMan Dec 2011 #15

Are you trying to out-Zocoloco Zocoloco? UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #26

I have no idea what you are trying to say. MineralMan Dec 2011 #29

I would but it makes my head swim. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #31

lol Cameron27 Jan 2012 #126

+1 proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #52

Greenwald has repeatedly said that he does not endorse Paul. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #16

Link to the article... (edited to add the correct link- it's the 1st one) Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #23

Yes, I know that. He was writing for someone. Writers often do that. MineralMan Dec 2011 #30

Tierra_y_Libertad asked for a link. I provided it. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #33

I was born in MO. You're going to have to show me how that is support. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2011 #25

Someone else wrote a post about freedom of expression MineralMan Dec 2011 #32

Some people say that Obama was born in Kenya. But heh! They are simply Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #35

Yes, some do say that. You know it is not true. MineralMan Dec 2011 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2011 #42

Funny. He wrote his own headline and used the 1st paragraph to Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #53

Yes, but think of the poor people trying to get their pool clean. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #104

looks like more of an opinion than an endorsement or support.. frylock Dec 2011 #37

Shhhh. Don't let facts get in the way of truthiness.* Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #45

I suspect a semi-coordinated attempt to link being anti-War, anti-Drug War, anti-Bankster bailout Romulox Dec 2011 #43

I don't get WilliamPitt Dec 2011 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #47

No, I hear you. WilliamPitt Dec 2011 #56

How about giving "good Ink" to: bvar22 Dec 2011 #109

Greenwald fucked up, his perceived support of Paul was unpopular. He backpedaled Robb Dec 2011 #67

Nope. He wrote two paragraphs on Paul in a 20 paragraph article Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #77

I realize he was merely using it as a foil to get a mention of Gary Johnson in. Robb Dec 2011 #81

Its not his fault that there are plenty of mindless dolts. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #86

That's not even close. Robb Dec 2011 #88

Its nuanced, I know. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #90

Careful, you might hurt my internet feelings. Robb Dec 2011 #91

and never admitted succumbing to the biggest temptation on the internet. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2011 #82

*snort* Robb Dec 2011 #89

Like the broken clock--accurate twice a day I just don't equate analysis of positions with support hlthe2b Dec 2011 #71

On the scale of "assholes like Greenwald can say what they want" BootinUp Dec 2011 #48

If you're using just that quote to interpret support for Paul your argument is not convincing. Poll_Blind Dec 2011 #50

Not Me! BootinUp Dec 2011 #55

Well then, who is? Poll_Blind Dec 2011 #57

Any number of politicans that don't blatantly lie about their political positions/views. BootinUp Dec 2011 #61

That's not an answer and trying to turn me into a Paul supporter so you can scuttle off is weak. Poll_Blind Dec 2011 #65

It was an answer and an explanation. You wish to establish BootinUp Dec 2011 #68

LOL, what you're missing is I already agree that Paul's a shit. As I've said, I agree... Poll_Blind Dec 2011 #73

The only reason you (and others) agree with it BootinUp Dec 2011 #83

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #87

God, we need the unrec button... joeybee12 Dec 2011 #54

Exactly. So projecting that Greenwald somehow supports Paul is... Poll_Blind Dec 2011 #59

Sorry, MM... but Greenwald providing analysis of Paul's positions does not equate to support of Paul hlthe2b Dec 2011 #62

I didn't know Glenn was endorsing Ron Paul! Rex Dec 2011 #69

LMAO.. there is none... SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #70

I know... Rex Dec 2011 #74

LOL.. I knew you knew... SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #79

All this Ron Paul talk is forcing me to Rex Dec 2011 #80

Despite who he does or doesn't support "Glenn Greenwald is an asshat", period. The end. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #76

Geez, and he wasn't even on American Idol! Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #78

Why don't you post a link to the entire article that quote came from? So maybe people can see the Puregonzo1188 Dec 2011 #85

I'm anti-war, anti-crony capitalism, anti-Surveillance State and anti-drug war. AND I'm pro-choice Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #92

_I_ avoid supermarket ground beef. Agony Dec 2011 #93

That makes more sense than the OP. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2011 #96

Some points about Greenwald, Paul, Obama, and my own take sandyd921 Dec 2011 #94

The kind of respectful post that has made DU what it is today. Go MM! Go MM! Karmadillo Dec 2011 #95

"Greenwald is an asshat!" "Taibbi is an uneducated idiot!" girl gone mad Dec 2011 #97

Actually, both of those statements, unbacked by anything approaching credible argument... JackRiddler Dec 2011 #106

He's also anti-civil rights mzmolly Dec 2011 #98

Where's the "support" part of your claim? You know, aside from whether Paul is the most anti." nt valerief Dec 2011 #100

Greenwald responds: MineralMan is "simple-minded." Robb Dec 2011 #101

LOL Cali_Democrat Dec 2011 #107

to say the least got root Dec 2011 #116

Just had to kick this back up. And ITA. nt DevonRex Dec 2011 #110

Saying that a broken clock is right twice a day is not "support". Odin2005 Dec 2011 #111

No, it's not stupid at all. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #121

Look what Greenwald wrote under "simple minded"! Fuddnik Dec 2011 #112

That isn't "support". It has to be granted that two out of four are easily arguable. TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #114

Excellent summation, Kentuck: JackRiddler Dec 2011 #120

I don't think it's support, I think GG truly believes Paul believes those things. joshcryer Dec 2011 #123

I'd rather like to see you and Glenn battle on DU3. MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #124