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niyad

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Fri Sep 1, 2017, 02:11 PM Sep 2017

Diana was our society's warning to women (on the 20th anniversary of her death (murder?)) [View all]

Diana was our society’s warning to women


A modern tragedy carried a very old message: that women who have the audacity to break their bonds ultimately suffer


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20th anniversary of Diana's death Princes William and Harry look at tributes outside Kensington Palace
Diana’s children, Prince William and Prince Harry, look at tributes left outside Kensington Palace to mark the 20th anniversary of her death. Photograph: Kirsty Wigglesworth/AFP/Getty Images



I remember the day Diana died. I was 19, and had crashed at a friend’s place in town. When I woke up – 20 years ago today – the friend said: “Princess Diana is dead.” I went outside and the streets, tube stations, shops and cafes were empty and silent. In the evening I visited Buckingham Palace and that too was silent. Disbelief, remorse and regret hung in the air.
Diana showed that we need emotion, but it’s had a downside. These emotions were not misplaced or overblown. I think Diana’s death triggered an intelligent, feminism-influenced grief that people of both sexes understood, either overtly or subconsciously. Her tragedy was to be cut down at the apex of a personal awakening that many women experience.

Diana was brought up to be nice, to be kind, to be pretty without being sexual, to be a supportive wife and good mother. Like many women, she entered wedlock in good faith, wore the dress, got the ring, and entered the marital home – only to discover that there was nothing there except betrayal, contempt and duty. The fabled love-bower was a piece of cheap cardboard advertising. Her virtue and devotion counted for nothing: were taken advantage of, not cherished. Her beauty retained no sexual allure for her husband. First she was lonely, then she was angry, then she was bored. Then she struck out for self-definition: to create a role for herself and find some dignity and respect, even some joy, in an unjust world. As soon as she could, she got a divorce. This is what Diana did and it is what many women do. Diana divested herself of stuffy, English, insular, 19th-century monarchical pomp and became part of a more cosmopolitan, sophisticated, racially diverse 20th-century super-elite. Instead of attending interminable state banquets she attended gallery openings, which are much more fun. She was carving out a career as a humanitarian, prefiguring the current era in which Hollywood actors become UN ambassadors, and she was doing divorced dating, including having non-white boyfriends. That shouldn’t be a big deal, but it still is.


Diana was becoming her own woman just as she was killed, and part of the country’s horror derives from witnessing an ancient curse against women come true: if you dare to diverge from being “a good girl”, you will be punished. Diana’s intimation that she was being set up for death may not have been correct in every detail – in the sense of the royal family plotting to have her murdered – but her instincts were right and her sense of foreboding was justified. The emotion displayed at her death and the melancholy ruminations of the following two decades are understandable. They stem from an aggrieved recognition of the earthly manifestation of a nasty folkloric lesson: the patriarchal world will shoot you down as a warning to all other women, just as you are making a bid for freedom. In fictional narratives the death of a woman is seen as poignant, as perversely pleasurable even as the audience weeps over the woman’s circumstances and fate: think of the plots of the “great” operas and ballets, or such novels as Madame Bovary and Anna Karenina, all written by men. The reality is tawdry and shameful.

Diana was indeed killed, in an unnatural, brutal and spectacular way: hunted down by men who had been targeting her mercilessly for years. They caused her death, and then they objectified and violated her dignity even further: standing over her and photographing her as she died, to help their own careers. When they were done, they discarded her and found other women to follow. That is misogyny writ large; it’s The Rite of Spring, rendered in tabloid format.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/31/diana-warning-women-tragedy-princess

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I can't say that I disagree with this article, especially in its main point. Boomerproud Sep 2017 #1
and they are doing a very good job of it! niyad Sep 2017 #2
DURec leftstreet Sep 2017 #3
So true. Every word. I had just left an abusive relationship when Diana died. Coventina Sep 2017 #4
((((((((coventina))))))) niyad Sep 2017 #5
Thanks. I hope that there is an afterlife. Coventina Sep 2017 #6
+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #7
She only ended up married to Charles because the outdated tradition held Ken Burch Sep 2017 #8
Sadly, no. There are thousands of them every year. Coventina Sep 2017 #10
Indeed. I meant no disrespect to your experience and hope I didn't convey that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #12
Oh no, I wasn't offended. Coventina Sep 2017 #16
An excellent point to make. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #18
WTF? Jesus! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #14
I think you might have misunderstood his point. Coventina Sep 2017 #17
There was nothing BUT respect to Diana and her experience in what I said. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #19
I also remember being horrified by that practice! Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #20
But did it happen? Do you have a reliable source? TubbersUK Sep 2017 #34
Sounds like urban legend RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #39
It is urban legend - to put it nicely. n/t TubbersUK Sep 2017 #41
No, I'm sorry, but that is complete bullshit. WoonTars Sep 2017 #23
Do you have a link for that? Because I remember the news reporting Coventina Sep 2017 #26
Are you sure? TubbersUK Sep 2017 #32
I am sure of what I remember. I will admit that I was a child at the time. Coventina Sep 2017 #45
Never happened. cwydro Sep 2017 #80
+1000 TubbersUK Sep 2017 #33
Yes, it is complete bullshit TubbersUK Sep 2017 #35
Can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading. cwydro Sep 2017 #76
I don't remember that TubbersUK Sep 2017 #30
There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that happened. BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #31
Maybe she didn't "have to" be a virgin GopherGal Sep 2017 #89
Sure, but social expectations are different BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #93
Thank you. cwydro Sep 2017 #79
Did you really say that? George II Sep 2017 #21
I was talking about hypocritical royal expectations. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #46
No. Wrong. Camilla was a divorcee. That was the problem. WoonTars Sep 2017 #24
No, Camilla was MARRIED to someone else. n/t Coventina Sep 2017 #27
No, she didn't divorce Andrew Parker Bowles until 1987 muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #38
It's complicated Freddie Sep 2017 #84
Wrong. She wasn't married yet at the time she and Charles were involved. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #47
Really? TubbersUK Sep 2017 #29
Wasn't Camilla Already Married To One Of His Friends? Me. Sep 2017 #42
No. She wasn't. She didn't marry until much later. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #48
Camilla met Prince Charles in 1971 and dated him lapucelle Sep 2017 #57
As I heard it, he proposed to her while they were a couple Ken Burch Sep 2017 #58
It Wasn't Just That She Had Sex Me. Sep 2017 #59
Never mind that every male British royal who ever lived had lots of sex and wasn't discrete about it Ken Burch Sep 2017 #61
Even Had Camilla Been A Virgin She Would NOt Have Been Considered Suitable Me. Sep 2017 #63
I read, back in those days, that she had turned him down because she did not want demigoddess Sep 2017 #60
No, it really didn't, and she wasn't, "the worlds last sacrificial virgin." herding cats Sep 2017 #70
I didn't make the claim about the hymen check. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #71
I didn't say you made that claim, I said it was thanks to your post I had to read that post. herding cats Sep 2017 #72
Her personality still looms large Beringia Sep 2017 #9
exactly niyad Sep 2017 #111
Diana was a victim of Institutional Conservatism. Dawson Leery Sep 2017 #11
The comments section at the link is horrific. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #13
Yes, people say horrible things all the time, don't they. It seems... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #15
As a person who hasn't posted anything intentionally thoughtless online I wholeheartedly agree. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #49
She should have worn a seatbelt, and her driver shouldn't have been drunk. WoonTars Sep 2017 #25
I have to agree. JenniferJuniper Sep 2017 #28
Exactly n/t TubbersUK Sep 2017 #36
They trivialize her death and blame her for it, in order to get the tabloids off the hook. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #51
No. She died because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt. WoonTars Sep 2017 #94
Nothing. Snackshack Sep 2017 #77
how about "the jackals should not have been chasing her"? niyad Sep 2017 #97
ugh!!!!! I did not read the comments section, do not think I will now. niyad Sep 2017 #96
There have been other women who have served as warnings as well, lapucelle Sep 2017 #22
The warning is to always wear a seatbelt and not let a drunk drive. Kaleva Sep 2017 #37
Indeed n/t TubbersUK Sep 2017 #40
Agreed customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #65
No kidding. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #78
The Entire Charles/Camilla Scandal Has Sparked Again Me. Sep 2017 #43
I have not heard that Freddie Sep 2017 #85
I Did Not Mention The Word Abdicate In Reference To The Queen Me. Sep 2017 #90
The Queen has never expressed her BuddhaGirl Sep 2017 #99
It May Be A Gossip Site But It Got The Pregnancy News Correct Me. Sep 2017 #100
True, but pregnancy is more easily confirmable BuddhaGirl Sep 2017 #101
It's True About The Health Of Her Father Me. Sep 2017 #102
I believe the law holds that Charles is next in line. Mariana Sep 2017 #98
Oh, for fuck's sake - she wasnt murdered Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2017 #44
Fayed GopherGal Sep 2017 #88
If we want to ask who killed Diana, first and foremost it was a drunk driver. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #50
Can I add the paparazzi customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #66
exactly- the paparazzi were functioning as an arm of that whole celebrity obsessiveness industry. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #74
Let's not forget Henry the 8th. These folks live under special rules. jalan48 Sep 2017 #52
Henry the 8th? cwydro Sep 2017 #82
Oh yeah-it's in the blood. Especially the white male ones. jalan48 Sep 2017 #83
You might wanna brush up on English history. cwydro Sep 2017 #86
I thought Henry the 8th beheaded his wife? jalan48 Sep 2017 #87
Oh lordie me. cwydro Sep 2017 #91
Brushy Brushy jalan48 Sep 2017 #92
The spousal beheadings are settled historical fact. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #104
My point was that the royalty has a history of nefarious spousal abuse. jalan48 Sep 2017 #106
I realize that. I was asking the other poster why they were laughing at you. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #107
Not sure. Maybe they misunderstood what I was trying to say. Sometimes snark falls flat. jalan48 Sep 2017 #108
He beheaded TWO wives, and up 'til the 20th Century Ken Burch Sep 2017 #103
And the voracious consumers of gossip rags...these were men, too? BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #53
IDK janterry Sep 2017 #54
Exactly. bluepen Sep 2017 #55
It's odd, isn't it customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #68
The readers may not have been men, but almost all the publishers were. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #105
I think it was more like... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #56
Why do any of us give a shit? GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #62
I don't customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #69
wow. some of us care because she was a remarkable woman. and remember, she was niyad Sep 2017 #112
They didn't help take care of her MFM008 Sep 2017 #64
You gotta be kidding me with this shit melman Sep 2017 #67
Agree. cwydro Sep 2017 #81
and yet, read it you did. niyad Sep 2017 #110
Her death led to one of the most interesting examples of public mass hysteria Kentonio Sep 2017 #73
Kick ck4829 Sep 2017 #75
Princess Diana was and is still being attacked by feminists Kaleva Sep 2017 #95
She didn't have a seat belt on nini Sep 2017 #109
not the fact that she and her friend were being pursued by a pack of slavering jackals? niyad Sep 2017 #113
Lots of celebrities get pursued like that nini Sep 2017 #114
and, I repeat, the discussion is NOT about seat belts, but thanks for the deflection, and niyad Sep 2017 #115
You're welcome nini Sep 2017 #116
Hinting it was murder is in itself a deflection from the very real problem... Kaleva Sep 2017 #117
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