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Ken Burch

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46. I was talking about hypocritical royal expectations.

Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:08 PM

Sep 2017

Charles was under no obligation to be chaste before marriage himself, but was expected to marry a virgin(I believe that that's been abandoned now, thankfully).

Charles clearly never had any feelings for Diana, the Windsors treated her horribly after the marriage, and to cap it off, when she did divorce, the Windsors vindictively stripped her of the title "Her Royal Highness".

I write in compassion and outrage for what she was subjected to. And I totally agree with the assertions in the article about her death, in some way, being punishment for escaping the royal cage and trying to escape the paparazzi. The Windsors didn't plan it or order it, but it was a product of her wish to live life on her own terms.

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Diana was our society's warning to women (on the 20th anniversary of her death (murder?)) [View all] niyad Sep 2017 OP

I can't say that I disagree with this article, especially in its main point. Boomerproud Sep 2017 #1

and they are doing a very good job of it! niyad Sep 2017 #2

DURec leftstreet Sep 2017 #3

So true. Every word. I had just left an abusive relationship when Diana died. Coventina Sep 2017 #4

((((((((coventina))))))) niyad Sep 2017 #5

Thanks. I hope that there is an afterlife. Coventina Sep 2017 #6

+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #7

She only ended up married to Charles because the outdated tradition held Ken Burch Sep 2017 #8

Sadly, no. There are thousands of them every year. Coventina Sep 2017 #10

Indeed. I meant no disrespect to your experience and hope I didn't convey that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #12

Oh no, I wasn't offended. Coventina Sep 2017 #16

An excellent point to make. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #18

WTF? Jesus! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #14

I think you might have misunderstood his point. Coventina Sep 2017 #17

There was nothing BUT respect to Diana and her experience in what I said. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #19

I also remember being horrified by that practice! Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #20

But did it happen? Do you have a reliable source? TubbersUK Sep 2017 #34

Sounds like urban legend RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #39

It is urban legend - to put it nicely. n/t TubbersUK Sep 2017 #41

No, I'm sorry, but that is complete bullshit. WoonTars Sep 2017 #23

Do you have a link for that? Because I remember the news reporting Coventina Sep 2017 #26

Are you sure? TubbersUK Sep 2017 #32

I am sure of what I remember. I will admit that I was a child at the time. Coventina Sep 2017 #45

Never happened. cwydro Sep 2017 #80

+1000 TubbersUK Sep 2017 #33

Yes, it is complete bullshit TubbersUK Sep 2017 #35

Can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading. cwydro Sep 2017 #76

I don't remember that TubbersUK Sep 2017 #30

There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that happened. BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #31

Maybe she didn't "have to" be a virgin GopherGal Sep 2017 #89

Sure, but social expectations are different BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #93

Thank you. cwydro Sep 2017 #79

Did you really say that? George II Sep 2017 #21

I was talking about hypocritical royal expectations. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #46

No. Wrong. Camilla was a divorcee. That was the problem. WoonTars Sep 2017 #24

No, Camilla was MARRIED to someone else. n/t Coventina Sep 2017 #27

No, she didn't divorce Andrew Parker Bowles until 1987 muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #38

It's complicated Freddie Sep 2017 #84

Wrong. She wasn't married yet at the time she and Charles were involved. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #47

Really? TubbersUK Sep 2017 #29

Wasn't Camilla Already Married To One Of His Friends? Me. Sep 2017 #42

No. She wasn't. She didn't marry until much later. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #48

Camilla met Prince Charles in 1971 and dated him lapucelle Sep 2017 #57

As I heard it, he proposed to her while they were a couple Ken Burch Sep 2017 #58

It Wasn't Just That She Had Sex Me. Sep 2017 #59

Never mind that every male British royal who ever lived had lots of sex and wasn't discrete about it Ken Burch Sep 2017 #61

Even Had Camilla Been A Virgin She Would NOt Have Been Considered Suitable Me. Sep 2017 #63

I read, back in those days, that she had turned him down because she did not want demigoddess Sep 2017 #60

No, it really didn't, and she wasn't, "the worlds last sacrificial virgin." herding cats Sep 2017 #70

I didn't make the claim about the hymen check. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #71

I didn't say you made that claim, I said it was thanks to your post I had to read that post. herding cats Sep 2017 #72

Her personality still looms large Beringia Sep 2017 #9

exactly niyad Sep 2017 #111

Diana was a victim of Institutional Conservatism. Dawson Leery Sep 2017 #11

The comments section at the link is horrific. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #13

Yes, people say horrible things all the time, don't they. It seems... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #15

As a person who hasn't posted anything intentionally thoughtless online I wholeheartedly agree. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #49

She should have worn a seatbelt, and her driver shouldn't have been drunk. WoonTars Sep 2017 #25

I have to agree. JenniferJuniper Sep 2017 #28

Exactly n/t TubbersUK Sep 2017 #36

They trivialize her death and blame her for it, in order to get the tabloids off the hook. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #51

No. She died because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt. WoonTars Sep 2017 #94

Nothing. Snackshack Sep 2017 #77

how about "the jackals should not have been chasing her"? niyad Sep 2017 #97

ugh!!!!! I did not read the comments section, do not think I will now. niyad Sep 2017 #96

There have been other women who have served as warnings as well, lapucelle Sep 2017 #22

The warning is to always wear a seatbelt and not let a drunk drive. Kaleva Sep 2017 #37

Indeed n/t TubbersUK Sep 2017 #40

Agreed customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #65

No kidding. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #78

The Entire Charles/Camilla Scandal Has Sparked Again Me. Sep 2017 #43

I have not heard that Freddie Sep 2017 #85

I Did Not Mention The Word Abdicate In Reference To The Queen Me. Sep 2017 #90

The Queen has never expressed her BuddhaGirl Sep 2017 #99

It May Be A Gossip Site But It Got The Pregnancy News Correct Me. Sep 2017 #100

True, but pregnancy is more easily confirmable BuddhaGirl Sep 2017 #101

It's True About The Health Of Her Father Me. Sep 2017 #102

I believe the law holds that Charles is next in line. Mariana Sep 2017 #98

Oh, for fuck's sake - she wasnt murdered Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2017 #44

Fayed GopherGal Sep 2017 #88

If we want to ask who killed Diana, first and foremost it was a drunk driver. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #50

Can I add the paparazzi customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #66

exactly- the paparazzi were functioning as an arm of that whole celebrity obsessiveness industry. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #74

Let's not forget Henry the 8th. These folks live under special rules. jalan48 Sep 2017 #52

Henry the 8th? cwydro Sep 2017 #82

Oh yeah-it's in the blood. Especially the white male ones. jalan48 Sep 2017 #83

You might wanna brush up on English history. cwydro Sep 2017 #86

I thought Henry the 8th beheaded his wife? jalan48 Sep 2017 #87

Oh lordie me. cwydro Sep 2017 #91

Brushy Brushy jalan48 Sep 2017 #92

The spousal beheadings are settled historical fact. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #104

My point was that the royalty has a history of nefarious spousal abuse. jalan48 Sep 2017 #106

I realize that. I was asking the other poster why they were laughing at you. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #107

Not sure. Maybe they misunderstood what I was trying to say. Sometimes snark falls flat. jalan48 Sep 2017 #108

He beheaded TWO wives, and up 'til the 20th Century Ken Burch Sep 2017 #103

And the voracious consumers of gossip rags...these were men, too? BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #53

IDK janterry Sep 2017 #54

Exactly. bluepen Sep 2017 #55

It's odd, isn't it customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #68

The readers may not have been men, but almost all the publishers were. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #105

I think it was more like... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #56

Why do any of us give a shit? GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #62

I don't customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #69

wow. some of us care because she was a remarkable woman. and remember, she was niyad Sep 2017 #112

They didn't help take care of her MFM008 Sep 2017 #64

You gotta be kidding me with this shit melman Sep 2017 #67

Agree. cwydro Sep 2017 #81

and yet, read it you did. niyad Sep 2017 #110

Her death led to one of the most interesting examples of public mass hysteria Kentonio Sep 2017 #73

Kick ck4829 Sep 2017 #75

Princess Diana was and is still being attacked by feminists Kaleva Sep 2017 #95

She didn't have a seat belt on nini Sep 2017 #109

not the fact that she and her friend were being pursued by a pack of slavering jackals? niyad Sep 2017 #113

Lots of celebrities get pursued like that nini Sep 2017 #114

and, I repeat, the discussion is NOT about seat belts, but thanks for the deflection, and niyad Sep 2017 #115

You're welcome nini Sep 2017 #116

Hinting it was murder is in itself a deflection from the very real problem... Kaleva Sep 2017 #117