General Discussion

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)

8. Engage on Fox, not on politics

Sat Sep 2, 2017, 07:45 AM

Sep 2017

I've found it useful to talk about Fox and Limbaugh.
Guys like this get radicalized by watching Fox and Limbaugh (and Howie Carr and other rw radio propagandists), and less often by reading Breitbart Daily Caller, etc. If you can get him questioning the propaganda media sources, the politics will change too.

You can give him the medium article from the Fox News host who said everything is scripted. Give him the Ailes white paper. Go through media matters and pull out some highlights. Or just talk to him and tell him that Murdoch controls Fox to push his political agenda -- which is to get people like your friend angry so he votes to cut Murdoch's taxes.

Cult deprogrammers say you have to give people new information when you want to break them away.

Also as a pats fan, you might be able to use Brady as a metaphor - Brady's unfair railroading happened because billionaire NFL owners used ESPN to turn the country on him. Because the owners want more money and Brady was the face of the last labor dispute. Pretty much the same as GOP donors - right-wing media - cutting taxes.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

97 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

My Best Friend is a Trump Supporter [View all] louis c Sep 2017 OP

Well, janterry Sep 2017 #1

Good advice. OnDoutside Sep 2017 #60

I totally agree. I don't engage with Trump supporters anymore. AgadorSparticus Sep 2017 #68

This is unfortunate, but all too common FakeNoose Sep 2017 #2

Cultists can't easily give up their cult without reprogramming and this is Cult45. nt tblue37 Sep 2017 #35

His identity is fox, if he gives that up, he's no one. lindysalsagal Sep 2017 #91

Maybe it's you who has evolved also . Did you just start to notice he thinks all blacks are on lunasun Sep 2017 #3

Believe it or not louis c Sep 2017 #4

Maybe the 'no evolution'came from his church . Totally wierd if he picked up beliefs like that just lunasun Sep 2017 #6

He may have always believed that, but never said it louis c Sep 2017 #12

Does he watch Fox? Listen to Carr? sharedvalues Sep 2017 #10

Fox, all the time louis c Sep 2017 #23

You can get him back-- highlight Fox's lies sharedvalues Sep 2017 #34

Honestly, this speaks to a larger social problem we seem to have here in the US ck4829 Sep 2017 #26

Interesting. That explains a lot. n/t Beartracks Sep 2017 #62

Oh, and another thing, I have not evolved louis c Sep 2017 #9

I cut off communication with five people HAB911 Sep 2017 #5

Your friend has been a conservative asshole Alpeduez21 Sep 2017 #7

Glad you have been awake all this time. Racism didn't come with trump and anti gay religions lunasun Sep 2017 #32

"The masks are off" Girard442 Sep 2017 #37

Engage on Fox, not on politics sharedvalues Sep 2017 #8

Too bad the Brady part is negated by the team's love for Dump RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #21

Why do you even spend a second with this person? pangaia Sep 2017 #11

I feel your pain mdbl Sep 2017 #13

You are in a similar boat as me louis c Sep 2017 #22

I have had to do the same in some circumstances mdbl Sep 2017 #36

These people tend to obsess. Mariana Sep 2017 #63

"He didn't reason his way into it, and you can't reason his way out." mdbl Sep 2017 #96

In my experience, the arguments are not about the facts, but about Doodley Sep 2017 #77

Exactly. Mariana Sep 2017 #97

I understand Books_Tea_Alone Sep 2017 #14

Your brother sounds a little bit like my brother. Bluepinky Sep 2017 #55

Block his number Not Ruth Sep 2017 #15

Life, my patience and my temper are too short, so I avoid them whenever possible Siwsan Sep 2017 #16

I have a few friends like this... WaitWut Sep 2017 #17

Very sensible! You are a good example of how to deal with political differences. Doodley Sep 2017 #79

I feel for you. It's a tough situation, particularly when it's someone you love who has smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #18

Sometimes I have second thoughts about LuckyCharms Sep 2017 #19

Yes. My childhood friend we're both 70 now. rickford66 Sep 2017 #20

I'm sorry for your loss, but that relationship has died...we all grieve on different timelines. Moostache Sep 2017 #24

I had to block contact from a lifelong friend. yardwork Sep 2017 #25

You basically lost your friend to a cult Snake Plissken Sep 2017 #27

Yes. To get him back, need to break out of Fox cult. sharedvalues Sep 2017 #52

I live with one, my father ebbie15644 Sep 2017 #28

Yep. Baitball Blogger Sep 2017 #29

Yup, been there - done that. BlueIdaho Sep 2017 #30

My inlaws are rural conservatives Cosmocat Sep 2017 #31

Yes, my good friend and her sister who is also my friend. Known for 40 years. Fla Dem Sep 2017 #33

Yep those kind always like to say " Oh we don't mean you , you're different " lunasun Sep 2017 #71

this is war IAMSPARTICUS Sep 2017 #38

It isn't war. It is America. America has been this way for a long time. Doodley Sep 2017 #82

Yes I do just no more contact till after trump is impeached. classykaren Sep 2017 #39

The worst thing about twitlers election was how he has divided long term family and friends kimbutgar Sep 2017 #40

Your friend has been Fauxed randr Sep 2017 #41

xxx THIS HAS WORKED FOR ME xxx uponit7771 Sep 2017 #42

Liberals and Trumpinistas both trust...who? The Weather Channel? Girard442 Sep 2017 #46

Rolling Stone, Newsweek, Fortune and some other right wing sources that are scorching Trump uponit7771 Sep 2017 #48

Sadly I've lost some lifetime friends samplegirl Sep 2017 #43

send him this azureblue Sep 2017 #44

My sister and I used to be close in political ideology WhiteTara Sep 2017 #45

What is all this hatred of Jill Stein voters? Doodley Sep 2017 #83

I certainly don't hate Jill or her supporters WhiteTara Sep 2017 #88

You just can't talk to those people SCantiGOP Sep 2017 #47

I think this guy can be turned back. Doodley Sep 2017 #84

So you wouldn't suggest I say SCantiGOP Sep 2017 #90

Try these kind of phrases that force him to agree with you: Doodley Sep 2017 #95

They've been indoctrinated thoroughly by Murdoch's Faux News Texin Sep 2017 #49

"The Brainwashing of My Dad" documentary trailer Equinox Moon Sep 2017 #50

Tell him you don't want to be friends anymore. pamela Sep 2017 #51

+ 1 this is a good idea . Look at the history of Germany and how the Nazi movement grew with in lunasun Sep 2017 #72

A major difference is Hitler's following grew, but Trump's is shrinking. Doodley Sep 2017 #85

Best response in the thread. Thank you. nt Atticus Sep 2017 #74

Well he's also a big racist and that would have been a deal breaker for me. bettyellen Sep 2017 #53

It seems like neither of you is going to change the other. So... Stonepounder Sep 2017 #54

Yes, I have the same problem. lucca18 Sep 2017 #56

Maybe science Corgigal Sep 2017 #57

Good for you, and for your friend. Bruno Mars will be a blast! Doodley Sep 2017 #86

Don't talk politics, love the swear jar idea iamateacher Sep 2017 #58

My sisters boyfriend MFM008 Sep 2017 #59

Listen, say nothing....and Dan Sep 2017 #61

I'm 62 & lost a good friend I'd had since I was 13. catbyte Sep 2017 #64

No Offense Intended ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #65

I am with you... all the way. nt Kleveland Sep 2017 #78

righties always moving the goal posts superpatriotman Sep 2017 #66

I cut them out of my life nini Sep 2017 #67

I lost a brother. janx Sep 2017 #69

No way my "best friend" could support Trump, because I would find a new one. Easy! n/t USALiberal Sep 2017 #70

I think there's been some kind of embarrassment on the part of hard righties, especially janx Sep 2017 #73

"Best friend" and "Trump supporter" don't belong in the same sentence. nt Atticus Sep 2017 #75

Not specifically. I don't drink, and that helps a lot Warpy Sep 2017 #76

It's unfortunate your friend is such a racist. SHRED Sep 2017 #80

WHO'S YOUR DADDY Goonch Sep 2017 #81

Dumping Trumpers and forcing them to be only with like-minded people does not help. Doodley Sep 2017 #87

I know people that are good human beings. Blue_true Sep 2017 #89

I'm in the same boat as you.. mitch96 Sep 2017 #92

Most of my family members are very conservative. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #93

Suggestion: Give it a year or so... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2017 #94