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In reply to the discussion: Jill Stein looped into widening investigation of Russia and Trump Jr. connections [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)11. Your attacks on Stein are unsupported by the article you link.
Let me try to head off the pack of baying alerters by stating that I voted for Clinton, not Stein. As best I can remember I have never voted for a Green Party candidate for anything.
As a Democrat, I'm also a member of the reality-based community. That means I reject the Bush/Fox News standard of asserting the facts to be whatever will fit your biases. Instead, I look at evidence.
You write:
Why was Stein in communication with Don. Jr? And in refusing to comply with the Senate request, is she covering up for herself or the baby elephant killer?
1) Nothing in the linked article says that Stein was communicating with Don, Jr. In fact, it quotes Stein herself as denying it, and it refers to no witness or documentary evidence that would call her statement into doubt.
All that happened was that some attorneys, framing a document demand, cast a very wide net to see what might be out there. I've done this myself. It's not at all surprising if you ask for documents in 15 different categories and get the response that there are no documents responsive to 12 of them. You can spend an extra few minutes drafting requests that will probably be fruitless, or you can risk missing something juicy. The second danger is obviously greater.
2) Not only is Stein not "refusing to comply", it would not even be possible for her to comply, and therefore not possible for her to refuse to comply. The request was not addressed to her. Your linked article includes a tweet from Kyle Griffin, who per his Twitter profile is a producer at MSNBC and therefore not some random nutjob. He states, "The Senate Judiciary Committee has requested documents from Don Jr. and Manafort ...." (emphasis added) That understanding is supported by the text of your linked article:
But investigators seem to be casting a wider net by asking Trump Jr. for all communication to, from or copied to you relating to a long list of individuals that include Stein.
There's no indication, at least in this article, that the Senate committee has asked Stein for anything, let alone that she has refused to comply with any lawful request.
You write: "And why on God's earth would anyone who opposes Trump defend her?" It gets back to that bit about the reality-based community. I defend people I don't like when the attacks on them are unjustified. I believe that the odious Ted Cruz, despite all his other horrible features, is constitutionally eligible to be President, so I've defended him against left-wing birtherism even while abhorring his policies. I believe that Jill Stein should not have run for President as a Green, but I'll defend her against McCarthyite smear jobs.
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Jill Stein looped into widening investigation of Russia and Trump Jr. connections [View all]
BainsBane
Sep 2017
OP
Part of the Russian plan was, and still is, to breed decent in the opposition party.
mjvpi
Sep 2017
#118
Wrong. Stein is a fraud and a liar. The Russian oligarchs promoted her campaign, which
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#136
This is not what Stein talked about, though. Her prime time appearances were straight up
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#147
stein and her supporters destroyed any chance of america having the american dream as we have seen
beachbum bob
Sep 2017
#152
Yep, I sure did. I just wanted SOMEONE to stand up to what happened here in Wisconsin.
AllyCat
Sep 2017
#106
I did too - $50.00. I asked for a refund due to fraud, but nothing. nt
AnotherMother4Peace
Sep 2017
#35
And I was one of the ones she took, I donated to recount effort multiple times. nt
iluvtennis
Sep 2017
#39
Though I can't prove it, I wonder if many who voted third party did so because they were sure HRC
karynnj
Sep 2017
#119
since no humans actually count or oversee the counting of our votes
questionseverything
Sep 2017
#132
Yes, I am a lawyer, but no one has hired me to argue online about the DNC case.
Jim Lane
Sep 2017
#51
Good points. The only time I see those walls of words is to undermine or minimize
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#133
When she made comments that trump is better than Hillary, she demonstrated without any ambiguity
still_one
Sep 2017
#26
Going "high" doesn't mean ignore reality that Stein is too close to Vlad like Red Don & crew are
uponit7771
Sep 2017
#100
Going "high" doesn't mean give Stein the undeserved benefit of the doubt on this subject either.
uponit7771
Sep 2017
#103
Michelle Obama called out Trump bragging about Sexual Assault. Going high never meant ignoring
JI7
Sep 2017
#148
She talked about Russia in a very similar manner to the way Trump talked about Russia
oberliner
Sep 2017
#13
She beat you to it, her and a few others nobody suspected, still dont, screwed us bad
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2017
#20
If Jill Stein, a presidential candidate herself, was communicating directly...
George II
Sep 2017
#16
It's been a long time since I trusted the motivations of 3rd Party candidates...
Wounded Bear
Sep 2017
#113
How is someone who promotes Russian oligarchs deserving of "progressive unity"
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#139