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In reply to the discussion: Jill Stein looped into widening investigation of Russia and Trump Jr. connections [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)46. Total reading comprehension fail
The Senate Committee requested documents from Don, Jr. and Manafort. I even boldfaced it for you. What more can I do? Yet you write:
There is indeed indication they asked for documents. It's in the OP and the article:
"The letter asks for the documents by Aug. 2."
"The letter asks for the documents by Aug. 2."
Yes, the letter asks for documents from Don, Jr. and from Manafort, as your own article states. You see The letter asks for documents... and you decide to read it as The letter asks for documents from Stein (which the article doesnt say) and extrapolate from that to There actually are such documents from Stein (which wouldnt follow even if there had been a request to her, which there wasnt, but you find it polemically convenient to smear her as corresponding with Don, Jr.), and then you even go on to Stein is refusing to comply (refusing to comply with a nonexistent request, but, hey, Joe McCarthy never let facts get in the way of a good smear job, so why should we).
You also write: Why is she claiming it's a witch hunt? Gee, maybe its because she loves to get publicity and she sees posing as a victim as a good way to get herself talked about? Thats just my guess. Im not privy to Jill Steins decision-making.
But then comes the coup de grâce when you write: You're so reality-based you defend the same DNC law suit touted on Infowars.
Let me quote one passage from the post of mine that you linked:
The judge made no finding, one way or the other, about the DNCs conduct.
Misunderstanding about the procedure has given rise to a couple of other errors. Some comments have said that Judge Zloch found as a fact that the DNC violated its neutrality rules. No, he merely assumed it, as the applicable federal rules required him to do.
Alternatively, because he dismissed the case, other comments have said that he must have found as a fact that the DNC did not violate its neutrality rules. Thats also wrong. He (correctly) made no finding of fact at all on that point, either way.
Misunderstanding about the procedure has given rise to a couple of other errors. Some comments have said that Judge Zloch found as a fact that the DNC violated its neutrality rules. No, he merely assumed it, as the applicable federal rules required him to do.
Alternatively, because he dismissed the case, other comments have said that he must have found as a fact that the DNC did not violate its neutrality rules. Thats also wrong. He (correctly) made no finding of fact at all on that point, either way.
So, yeah, reality-based. The handful of Sanders supporters who are still refighting the primary and want to make the DNC look bad read the decision as confirming their attacks on the DNC. The Bernie-and-all-his-supporters-are-evil camp who dont want the DNCs conduct questioned in any way read the decision as refuting the attacks on the DNC. The reality is that both those views are wrong, and I said so. If it means that I make enemies here and on JPR for telling the truth, well, it wont be the first time.
If you think that something in my post about the case was inaccurate, please identify which point in an excruciatingly long post youre disputing, and explain your reason for disagreeing. If, on the other hand, you think that merely linking to JPR, plus tossing in a totally tangential reference to Infowars, proves that everything I say is false, then we have nothing more to discuss. Your mode of reasoning, if such it can be called, is just too far apart from mine.
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Jill Stein looped into widening investigation of Russia and Trump Jr. connections [View all]
BainsBane
Sep 2017
OP
Part of the Russian plan was, and still is, to breed decent in the opposition party.
mjvpi
Sep 2017
#118
Wrong. Stein is a fraud and a liar. The Russian oligarchs promoted her campaign, which
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#136
This is not what Stein talked about, though. Her prime time appearances were straight up
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#147
stein and her supporters destroyed any chance of america having the american dream as we have seen
beachbum bob
Sep 2017
#152
Yep, I sure did. I just wanted SOMEONE to stand up to what happened here in Wisconsin.
AllyCat
Sep 2017
#106
I did too - $50.00. I asked for a refund due to fraud, but nothing. nt
AnotherMother4Peace
Sep 2017
#35
And I was one of the ones she took, I donated to recount effort multiple times. nt
iluvtennis
Sep 2017
#39
Though I can't prove it, I wonder if many who voted third party did so because they were sure HRC
karynnj
Sep 2017
#119
since no humans actually count or oversee the counting of our votes
questionseverything
Sep 2017
#132
Yes, I am a lawyer, but no one has hired me to argue online about the DNC case.
Jim Lane
Sep 2017
#51
Good points. The only time I see those walls of words is to undermine or minimize
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#133
When she made comments that trump is better than Hillary, she demonstrated without any ambiguity
still_one
Sep 2017
#26
Going "high" doesn't mean ignore reality that Stein is too close to Vlad like Red Don & crew are
uponit7771
Sep 2017
#100
Going "high" doesn't mean give Stein the undeserved benefit of the doubt on this subject either.
uponit7771
Sep 2017
#103
Michelle Obama called out Trump bragging about Sexual Assault. Going high never meant ignoring
JI7
Sep 2017
#148
She talked about Russia in a very similar manner to the way Trump talked about Russia
oberliner
Sep 2017
#13
She beat you to it, her and a few others nobody suspected, still dont, screwed us bad
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2017
#20
If Jill Stein, a presidential candidate herself, was communicating directly...
George II
Sep 2017
#16
It's been a long time since I trusted the motivations of 3rd Party candidates...
Wounded Bear
Sep 2017
#113
How is someone who promotes Russian oligarchs deserving of "progressive unity"
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#139