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Jim Lane

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51. Yes, I am a lawyer, but no one has hired me to argue online about the DNC case.

Sat Sep 2, 2017, 08:39 PM

Sep 2017

In this instance, I'm not obligated to any client. I'm calling them as I see them.

You write, "However defending the GOP and/or Greens on DU, a DEMOCRATIC board is indefensible here. They are our enemy...." I agree that they are our enemy. I do not agree with the implication of your first sentence. Using outright lies to attack our enemies is both morally wrong and, in almost all cases, tactically ill-advised.

During the Ted Cruz birtherism debates, I made more than one post defending him -- to be more precise, defending him against the charge of ineligibility. That's because I thought the charge was wrong. If you think exposing falsehood is a violation of the ToS, you go right ahead and alert. The admins have the right to set the rules for their site. If I get the word from them that DU is now a free-fire zone for half-truths, distortions, and outright lies about anyone who's an opponent of the Democratic Party, then I'll let such smears go by unchallenged. That would be too bad, and would again be tactically ill-advised (IMO), but it's up to them.

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Jill Stein looped into widening investigation of Russia and Trump Jr. connections [View all] BainsBane Sep 2017 OP

This woman needs locked up.... FarPoint Sep 2017 #1

Well, I do not care for her either BainsBane Sep 2017 #2

My intuition remains keen... FarPoint Sep 2017 #5

Part of the Russian plan was, and still is, to breed decent in the opposition party. mjvpi Sep 2017 #118

Well said! green917 Sep 2017 #130

Wrong. Stein is a fraud and a liar. The Russian oligarchs promoted her campaign, which R B Garr Sep 2017 #136

Please use you energy to promote ideas that will resonate with Stein's voters. mjvpi Sep 2017 #145

This is not what Stein talked about, though. Her prime time appearances were straight up R B Garr Sep 2017 #147

The blame game won't win us the next election. mjvpi Sep 2017 #157

Do you have something to share about voting third party or something?? R B Garr Sep 2017 #162

stein and her supporters destroyed any chance of america having the american dream as we have seen beachbum bob Sep 2017 #152

This is who we see defended BainsBane Sep 2017 #3

Yeap... FarPoint Sep 2017 #126

I despise that woman ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #4

That post Presidential Election recount deception... FarPoint Sep 2017 #6

Yep, I sure did. I just wanted SOMEONE to stand up to what happened here in Wisconsin. AllyCat Sep 2017 #106

$10 million BainsBane Sep 2017 #7

I am ashamed to admit I donated to her phoney recount effort mcar Sep 2017 #19

Many people were desperate BainsBane Sep 2017 #27

I did too - $50.00. I asked for a refund due to fraud, but nothing. nt AnotherMother4Peace Sep 2017 #35

What was "phony" about it? How was this a "scam"? LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #127

Thanks for posting some facts about this. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #141

I didn't contribute, but I gave it some thought. maddiemom Sep 2017 #134

And I was one of the ones she took, I donated to recount effort multiple times. nt iluvtennis Sep 2017 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author dixiegrrrrl Sep 2017 #48

I almost gave money to that wryter2000 Sep 2017 #101

I can understand why people did BainsBane Sep 2017 #121

I was had orangecrush Sep 2017 #129

Well, we knew she was up to no good even before the election Warpy Sep 2017 #8

They may never have been Clinton voters BainsBane Sep 2017 #47

There is still more of us DownriverDem Sep 2017 #97

Though I can't prove it, I wonder if many who voted third party did so because they were sure HRC karynnj Sep 2017 #119

That's a good point, one I hadn't heard before. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #124

since no humans actually count or oversee the counting of our votes questionseverything Sep 2017 #132

That was incredibly poor judgement on their part BainsBane Sep 2017 #146

Of course, it was terrible judgment karynnj Sep 2017 #155

I agree BainsBane Sep 2017 #159

Yes, I think they were targeted by the Kremlin BainsBane Sep 2017 #140

Good Find Me. Sep 2017 #9

This is Jill Stein. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #10

Even the Greens in Russia Primer Sep 2017 #42

Can't say I blame them. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #44

Your attacks on Stein are unsupported by the article you link. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #11

If they are asking her for nothing? BainsBane Sep 2017 #17

Stein is a Russian agent, KGB but now they call it GRU I think. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #22

I hope they throw EVERYTHING they can possibly find at her. calimary Sep 2017 #32

when you have ACTUAL EVIDENCE of your accusation.... tomp Sep 2017 #92

Aaah. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #24

"the reality based community" BainsBane Sep 2017 #25

Even Skinner said they were.... sheshe2 Sep 2017 #30

Thanks for posting that! R B Garr Sep 2017 #34

Skinners response cracked me up. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #36

Me too! R B Garr Sep 2017 #76

LOL JPR R B Garr Sep 2017 #33

Total reading comprehension fail Jim Lane Sep 2017 #46

Yeah, I was in a hurry to go somewhere and didn't read most of your post BainsBane Sep 2017 #52

Boy That Is Some POst Me. Sep 2017 #71

My response Jim Lane Sep 2017 #82

Why are you changing your stance about the DNC R B Garr Sep 2017 #58

I haven't changed. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #62

What I said was that you are changing your wording R B Garr Sep 2017 #66

Link or slink. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #68

You have copies of your posts. You were applauded R B Garr Sep 2017 #72

Admirable job Jim LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #125

Don't worry, I saw his posts on JPR where this was further promoted to R B Garr Sep 2017 #131

Jim Lane, thanks for giving voice to fact-based reason . . . snot Sep 2017 #88

You are a lawyer? sheshe2 Sep 2017 #23

Yes, I am a lawyer, but no one has hired me to argue online about the DNC case. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #51

I'm more curious about the direction you use your talents for ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #123

Good points. The only time I see those walls of words is to undermine or minimize R B Garr Sep 2017 #133

"Why defend Stein in any capacity?" Jim Lane Sep 2017 #149

The truth should be defended against RandomAccess Sep 2017 #61

No. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #65

Are you suggesting that being a "good Democrat" RandomAccess Sep 2017 #67

Nice Try At Distraction Me. Sep 2017 #74

Not distraction at all RandomAccess Sep 2017 #107

Like I Said Me. Sep 2017 #115

Right on target shanny Sep 2017 #112

Where are the concerns about lies against Democrats? BainsBane Sep 2017 #73

Yes! Perfect again. There is hyper vigilance to R B Garr Sep 2017 #81

When she made comments that trump is better than Hillary, she demonstrated without any ambiguity still_one Sep 2017 #26

"When they go low, we go high." Jim Lane Sep 2017 #54

Calling STEIN a liar and a fraud is NOT going low, it is STATING THE FACTS. still_one Sep 2017 #70

Stein said "justifiable" things about the Democrats? Really? George II Sep 2017 #77

Typo, thanks for catching it. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #78

With the greatest of deference to Michelle Obama... DonaldsRump Sep 2017 #80

How far would you carry that? Jim Lane Sep 2017 #83

No one said anything about lies...Where exactly are you getting that? DonaldsRump Sep 2017 #84

I'm getting it from the OP. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #85

Like you said, this isn't civil litigation, it's a Congressional R B Garr Sep 2017 #108

Please! Comparing a collusion case with a hostile foreign R B Garr Sep 2017 #104

Going "high" doesn't mean ignore reality that Stein is too close to Vlad like Red Don & crew are uponit7771 Sep 2017 #100

In fact, it doesn't mean ignoring reality at all. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #102

Going "high" doesn't mean give Stein the undeserved benefit of the doubt on this subject either. uponit7771 Sep 2017 #103

You have an odd definition of bogus. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #110

I explained the "bogus" nature in #11 Jim Lane Sep 2017 #122

Michelle Obama called out Trump bragging about Sexual Assault. Going high never meant ignoring JI7 Sep 2017 #148

Going high means having respect for the truth. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #150

yeah, respect for the truth which the fucking putin troll jill stein has none of JI7 Sep 2017 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #156

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2017 #99

True, but then there's this: Xipe Totec Sep 2017 #41

Just curious: if it was determined that Ted Cruz's Ilsa Sep 2017 #45

My response re Cruz Jim Lane Sep 2017 #50

Thank you for your thoughtful explanation. Ilsa Sep 2017 #63

Good, go after her! yuiyoshida Sep 2017 #12

She talked about Russia in a very similar manner to the way Trump talked about Russia oberliner Sep 2017 #13

Yeah, those comments are complete lies BainsBane Sep 2017 #14

Can I please say it again? Kleveland Sep 2017 #15

She beat you to it, her and a few others nobody suspected, still dont, screwed us bad Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #20

If Jill Stein, a presidential candidate herself, was communicating directly... George II Sep 2017 #16

Stein communicating with Jr? mcar Sep 2017 #18

I knew it. About time! Alice11111 Sep 2017 #21

Last night Todd Rundgren sang "Blow Me" and dedicated it to Stein voters BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #28

I love it! BainsBane Sep 2017 #43

You saw Todd? Cary Sep 2017 #105

It was a good show. He played for over 11/2 hours (23 song setlist) BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #109

She was at the big dinner to give cover. Turbineguy Sep 2017 #29

It's all a massive conspiracy to keep Hillary from being president. Initech Sep 2017 #31

Jill Stein is a tool of the right wing. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #37

Pretty much Willie Pep Sep 2017 #59

She is just makes me mad TEB Sep 2017 #38

Of course. Stein received money from Putin sharedvalues Sep 2017 #40

I'll go out on a limb here.... paleotn Sep 2017 #49

I think it's a distinct possibility BainsBane Sep 2017 #56

I noticed that too.... paleotn Sep 2017 #64

Stein, Flynn and Vlad all sitting together at the table in Russia. sarcasmo Sep 2017 #53

Stein's fans and defenders who visit here won't like that news at all! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #55

curiouser and curiouser northoftheborder Sep 2017 #57

Stein is a publicity seeker. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #60

attention and cash BainsBane Sep 2017 #69

Giving her something in common with Trump. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #116

Yes! BainsBane Sep 2017 #120

Hopefully this will be the end of the Jill Stein thing. maddiemom Sep 2017 #98

One hopes, but in running under the Green label, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #117

She scammed Democrats out of millions of dollars oberliner Sep 2017 #75

Yes BainsBane Sep 2017 #79

I suspect they weren't just Democrats either Obe. still_one Sep 2017 #86

Definitely oberliner Sep 2017 #93

I remember that still_one Sep 2017 #94

+1 dalton99a Sep 2017 #154

Hold it. snot Sep 2017 #87

You're correct BainsBane Sep 2017 #138

This is old news from July. L. Coyote Sep 2017 #89

Which people must be unaware of BainsBane Sep 2017 #90

I would like to point out one thing -- and I think it is important Mike Niendorff Sep 2017 #91

Stein probably had Progressive dog Sep 2017 #95

Played Naive Fools DownriverDem Sep 2017 #96

Who does this sound like?... Honeycombe8 Sep 2017 #111

It's been a long time since I trusted the motivations of 3rd Party candidates... Wounded Bear Sep 2017 #113

Well, I always thought she was an idiot, Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #114

Susan Sarandon mdillen Sep 2017 #128

Why the relentless attacks on Ms. Stein? FairWinds Sep 2017 #135

Unity for what? BainsBane Sep 2017 #137

How is someone who promotes Russian oligarchs deserving of "progressive unity" R B Garr Sep 2017 #139

The comment is utterly bizarre BainsBane Sep 2017 #142

It is truly bizarre. But now I remember that circular firing squad post, but R B Garr Sep 2017 #143

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #160

This is just a lowbrow and unnecessary attack. If you look at the R B Garr Sep 2017 #161

Stein's Goal is to help Republicans win . Republicans like Trump. she is a fucking Troll. there is n JI7 Sep 2017 #144

She's not a progressive. Adrahil Sep 2017 #158

I don't think Stein personally will change her mind BUT... Jim Lane Sep 2017 #163

K&r Gothmog Sep 2017 #153