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standingtall

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23. People are going to live as they wish regardless
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 09:37 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Sun Sep 3, 2017, 12:12 AM - Edit history (1)

No one is putting a gun to someones head when they live wicked. However how a Christian lives has no bearing a over their eternal salvation because the live and righteous of Christ is imputed or accredited to them. Christians aren't saved by their lives but by Christ and his life his work and his person.

Pretty sure Joel Osteen's not a Calvinist. Calvinism teaches that wealth is neither reward or punishment,but merely bounties of providence. Some will say that John Calvin said he considered some of the luxuries he had as blessing which is true,but he also said all Christians should count whatever they had as blessings and things obtained through fraudulent means should not be counted as blessings.

The Christian right are largely not Calvinist. At best their selective Calvinist. Usually they hate the doctrines of grace,but when it suits their political agenda they discover God's sovereignty like when a President is in office they like,but when someones in office they don't like they chalk it up to the free will of man mucking up God's divine plan. In other words they only believe in God's sovereignty in places they approve.

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What would be the point of churches at all? AJT Sep 2017 #1
To manipulate people njhoneybadger Sep 2017 #5
$$$$$$ n/t NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #7
Well, somebody has to collect the money dalton99a Sep 2017 #17
I like the idea of limited atonement Not Ruth Sep 2017 #2
So you think no matter how people actually live, they can still be okay with God, because WinkyDink Sep 2017 #8
That does seem to fit with the personality of God. Mariana Sep 2017 #21
I'm Jewish, so can someone enlighten me? choie Sep 2017 #3
It does not. That's the blessing of "interpretation," heh. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #10
Predestination vs. free will njhoneybadger Sep 2017 #4
Where is "predestination" in the Bible? God's foreknowledge is, but that simply means He knows of WinkyDink Sep 2017 #9
Romans 8:28 njhoneybadger Sep 2017 #12
Romans 8 verses 28,30 standingtall Sep 2017 #13
Oh, okay; I sit corrected. But it is NOT the same as "Thus, wealth means favored by God." That is WinkyDink Sep 2017 #22
People are going to live as they wish regardless standingtall Sep 2017 #23
Well, it DOES say "Today" in its title. 'Tis pity 'tis true. Oh, and "saved" means "wealthy." WinkyDink Sep 2017 #6
Totally false to assert that todays Evangelical church is dominated by Calvinist standingtall Sep 2017 #11
SBC being taken over, led by Mohler bobbieinok Sep 2017 #15
You do know that the SBC was originally founded on Calvinistic doctrines? standingtall Sep 2017 #18
From what I have read bobbieinok Sep 2017 #19
Isn't there a Religion & Spirituality forum for this kind of discussion? LAS14 Sep 2017 #14
I posted here because of Harvey and Osteen bobbieinok Sep 2017 #16
its all about the $$. keep your hands off of my stack, jack nt msongs Sep 2017 #20
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