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Binkie The Clown

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Sun Sep 3, 2017, 06:08 PM Sep 2017

Is ANY form of govenrment workable? [View all]

I was pondering the nature of government as it relates to the nature of the human mind and it occurred to me that any form of government works fine for a small enough tribal group. Tribes of a couple hundred people with a strong charismatic leader work; small tribes with completely democratic decision making work; a small enough tribe can work with utter anarchy. While a small tribe that shares the same culture and beliefs can thrive with a communal structure, communalism does not scale up beyond 150 or 200 people in the commune.

So I begin to suspect that any group of humans larger than 200 members is inherently ungovernable by its very nature. Likewise, any group of any size where the overarching philosophy among members differs significantly is inherently ungovernable.

A small enough group has no problem interacting with minorities because the group is small enough it has no minorities. A small cohesive doesn't argue about religious beliefs because they all share the same religious beliefs. If they didn't the group would not be cohesive.

Mankind evolved in tribal groups where all members of the group share the same goals, beliefs, rule enforcement methods, philosophies, diet, music, entertainment, art, etc. Yes, conflicts arise, but there are mutually agreed upon methods to resolve those conflicts. To an outsider, a given tribal norm may appear "barbaric" or "cruel", but the fact that the tribe survives means that it "works". What does it mean to say a tribe's way of life works? It means that it enables the tribe, as a unit, to survive.

We all want a better society, but the question that's been nagging on my mind lately is, can a "better" society ever survive? Does what we like to think of as a "better" government even work (in the sense of "work" defined above)?

What I think I know for sure is that:

Democracy works on a small scale, but on a large scale, it doesn't work. (Trump is a case in point. And don't say it "could" work. The fact is, it doesn't work.)

Socialism works on a small scale, but on a large scale, it doesn't work.

Communism, or Communalism, works on a small scale, but on a large scale, it doesn't work.

Dictatorship works on a small scale, but on a large scale, it doesn't work.

Anarchy works on a very small scale, but on a large scale, it fails utterly.

Perhaps mankind, by steering itself toward self-destruction, is correcting the problem by setting the stage to restructure itself into small, isolated, governable-sized tribal units.



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Is ANY form of govenrment workable? [View all] Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 OP
Democracy works fine rufus dog Sep 2017 #1
What you're saying is "Democracy WOULD work fine IF this one thing is isn't true WERE true." Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #10
You left out democratic socialism brush Sep 2017 #21
I think it's more that there will always be malcontents trying to undermine a system mvd Sep 2017 #23
Exactly! There will always be right-wing radical nutjobs, and they can prevent it from working. Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #28
Not quite. Governments work to keep those fools in check or we'd all have killed each other brush Sep 2017 #33
It has worked for years! rufus dog Sep 2017 #25
SS and Medicare are huge and they seem to work pretty well n/t leftstreet Sep 2017 #2
SS and Medicare are not "forms of government". Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #11
Oh, I know leftstreet Sep 2017 #18
I have to fall back on Churchill: sagesnow Sep 2017 #3
As long as Nazis are marching the street, and Trump sits in the White House, Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #12
You are right, at this point, sagesnow Sep 2017 #22
No, I agree with OP cilla4progress Sep 2017 #4
I tend to agree ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #5
Yes. Snackshack Sep 2017 #6
Socialism and communism are economic systems, not forms of government. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #7
democracy appears to work ok as long as it its not hijack beachbum bob Sep 2017 #8
In other words, Democracy would work if this one thing that is true were NOT true. Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #14
Democracy doesn't work? LOL.... ileus Sep 2017 #9
Are you saying there was no homelessness under Democratic administrations? Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #15
It's more that rigid systems don't work well mvd Sep 2017 #13
Unfettered greed is a fact of human nature. Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #16
I don't really agree. Some countries function fine mvd Sep 2017 #17
It is? kcr Sep 2017 #39
Your last sentence is on the mark. The_jackalope Sep 2017 #19
Now that you mention it, I do vaguely recall hearing about Dunbar's Number. Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern Sep 2017 #20
Define "workable". The fact that we need a government at all means we can't have a perfect one... TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #24
Democracy works until corrupted by money. applegrove Sep 2017 #26
Which is to say Democracy can't work as long as it is possible for it to be corrupted by money. Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #30
Nope. Democracies have ruled the world and beat communism. They applegrove Sep 2017 #32
Monarchy illustrates another point Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #27
Clearly monarchy is yet another system of government that doesn't work. Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #31
All true. Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #34
Probably not. KT2000 Sep 2017 #35
Don't confuse our culture with humanity at large. greyl Sep 2017 #36
Human intelligence clu Sep 2017 #37
The Byzantine Empire Yupster Sep 2017 #38
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