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NJCher

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15. sorry, but you're wrong

Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:57 AM

Sep 2017

I have been watching for months, and just like clockwork, every time Trump pulls some extraordinarily outrageous move, you will get a "blame" post. If the poster genuinely felt bad, all they would have to do is say they feel bad. Nope, nope, nope; they are undergoing psychological stress in a dysfunctional way.

Read up on it and then come back and try to tell me. Google is your friend.

Furthermore, I would go another step and say that no effective communicator would ever engage in blame. It is confrontational and thus never accepted. Have you ever once--ever---gone through these blame threads and seen anyone post that they're wearing a hair shirt?

They are posts driven by the psychological needs of the poster. As such, I'm not sure what purpose they serve in a discussion forum, but I am sure they will continue for quite some time. This won't be the last of them, of that I am certain.

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For All who didn't support Hillary Clinton in the general...who complained about her on various [View all] Demsrule86 Sep 2017 OP

I completely agree, but don't understand the point of these threads that pop up every week or so. cwydro Sep 2017 #1

People are upset and want (need?) to vent. MoonRiver Sep 2017 #2

Well, I'm sure you're right about the need to vent. cwydro Sep 2017 #6

seriously, it's a little late to vent as if the election was next month mdbl Sep 2017 #16

Bingo. cwydro Sep 2017 #31

I wouldn't bet on that n/t radical noodle Sep 2017 #56

Me neither. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #59

Yep. nt sheshe2 Sep 2017 #131

Au contraire. They definitely are here. n/t Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #162

I saw a few still lingering xmas74 Sep 2017 #163

You said it. nt zentrum Sep 2017 #208

We need to repeat this OP everyday until people learn that voting or not wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #27

I think part of it is what is going on now...with Move On fielding a primary challenger to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #135

You oppose primary challenges? rpannier Sep 2017 #190

In 18 with the God Damned GOP in complete control...you better believe Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #240

Primary challenges *may* strengthen the general election candidate sometimes summer_in_TX Sep 2017 #206

Wrong. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #216

No it doesn't...it wastes resources and time...and doesn't strengthen anyone. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #238

fwiw: shanny Sep 2017 #17

interesting article, thank you irisblue Sep 2017 #44

Thank you GeoWilliam750 Sep 2017 #152

That is it exactly. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #134

Me too. MoonRiver Sep 2017 #138

Shock at everything MFM008 Sep 2017 #3

It's a reminder about immature petulance and unrequited purity vs unselfish common sense and noble haveahart Sep 2017 #4

Exactly. nt Blue_true Sep 2017 #110

It's as simple as this: Had Bernie won the nomination at least 99% of Hillary supporters would have haveahart Sep 2017 #272

Yes they are still here. George II Sep 2017 #5

If that's the case, I hope they expose themselves soon. cwydro Sep 2017 #7

They do it all the time. BainsBane Sep 2017 #43

Just look at responses from folks trying to play the victim. There they are. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #97

Every Morning DownriverDem Sep 2017 #42

My feelings exactly lunamagica Sep 2017 #180

I agree. I don't get this constant PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #70

Because Johnson isn't the type of candidate xmas74 Sep 2017 #166

Even so, the votes for Stein PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #168

The votes for Stein in a few states were crucial. xmas74 Sep 2017 #169

Not only that... revmclaren Sep 2017 #174

Yes, they are still part of the DU community. Some are even group hosts. LonePirate Sep 2017 #77

And on jury duty. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #132

I see posters here every day who proudly pledged never to vote for Hillary. yardwork Sep 2017 #79

I've been here for nearly fifteen years. xmas74 Sep 2017 #167

Some are still posting here lunasun Sep 2017 #101

I have been gone and this is my first...I was just so angry when I heard that 45 was going to end Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #133

because people need to be reminded Skittles Sep 2017 #159

It's sort of like Antifa; never again. nt fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #176

What is the point of this thread? Who on DU didn't support HRC in the general? -nt CrispyQ Sep 2017 #8

You may be surprised if truthful numbers were given. Lots of folks troll here. It's one of the haveahart Sep 2017 #9

projection NJCher Sep 2017 #10

Nope. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #12

sorry, but you're wrong NJCher Sep 2017 #15

Oh good lord. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #28

where does it say I read it on the internet? NJCher Sep 2017 #105

true G_j Sep 2017 #33

+1 KTM Sep 2017 #73

This is a board for Democrats. Do you have anything to offer about third party people R B Garr Sep 2017 #82

can't help you there NJCher Sep 2017 #171

Hillary got more votes than any of her competitors, and that's a fact. R B Garr Sep 2017 #175

thinking error NJCher Sep 2017 #258

It's a fact that Hillary got more votes than her competitors. R B Garr Sep 2017 #266

Bernie was cheated out of the opportunity NJCher Sep 2017 #267

Bernie wasn't cheated out of anything. R B Garr Sep 2017 #268

call it what you want NJCher Sep 2017 #269

Donald Trump also thinks he won the popular vote. R B Garr Sep 2017 #271

yeah, but tiny hands is nuts NJCher Sep 2017 #273

Excuse me, but it's also difficult to say that millions of people who voted for Clinton R B Garr Sep 2017 #274

re-read my post #258 NJCher Sep 2017 #275

You are also blaming, so what does that make you? R B Garr Sep 2017 #276

Some people get what you're putting down.... KTM Sep 2017 #181

No YOU are wrong and it is easy to point out why stevenleser Sep 2017 #188

Consequences Frances Sep 2017 #13

do you realize you're becoming the thought police? NJCher Sep 2017 #21

If that poster is becoming thought police, then so are you. You're doing the same thing. Squinch Sep 2017 #62

It absolutely IS for us to decide how people experience the consequences of their actions. stevenleser Sep 2017 #111

Thanks for this sensible post Frances Sep 2017 #280

Amen fallout87 Sep 2017 #104

"Blaming others takes the responsibility off themselves." Often true. mia Sep 2017 #20

And perhaps people who still post at JPR will never have a clue about the distrust and anger seaglass Sep 2017 #51

That is correct. I could not believe supposed progressives would enable Trump. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #212

I think you nailed it. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2017 #164

some might have only 'grudgingly" supported her though!! m-lekktor Sep 2017 #22

It's a purity thing. Even if you voted for the nominee in the GE the fact that you supported Autumn Sep 2017 #29

apparently there shouldn't be any criticism of policy clu Sep 2017 #36

I too am stunned by some of these posts. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #281

BINGO! LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #57

Well according to the OP melman Sep 2017 #34

Like not crying loud enough at King Jong Il's funeral Generic Other Sep 2017 #122

LMAO! Perfect. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #165

. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #184

Yup. It is just. that. silly. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #217

Agree. cwydro Sep 2017 #35

Wasn't aimed at DU just folks in general who went to websites (this one sometimes) Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #136

"What is the point of this thread?" Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #237

People who enabled Trump's election probably don't care about DACA IronLionZion Sep 2017 #11

Who are you talking to? crim son Sep 2017 #14

But they are here, so? n/t seaglass Sep 2017 #53

Not having a dog in this hunt, but... CanSocDem Sep 2017 #18

You nailed it. mjvpi Sep 2017 #47

Off topic ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #19

This should be posted on a rightwing site not here. EOM tiredtoo Sep 2017 #23

The right supports Trump BainsBane Sep 2017 #45

The right opposes the left. tiredtoo Sep 2017 #66

Left? What does that mean to you? BainsBane Sep 2017 #78

To me the left means Democratic party tiredtoo Sep 2017 #125

Honestly, I don't see the need for these types of threads. Trump didn't win. PatrickforO Sep 2017 #24

K&R brush Sep 2017 #37

Hear! Hear! and Thank You solara Sep 2017 #83

K&R EOM tiredtoo Sep 2017 #127

Popular vote in an American Presidential election is like Time of Possession in a Superbowl... Baconator Sep 2017 #144

Not if we get enough state legislatures to pass PatrickforO Sep 2017 #205

Then that's a different game with different rules... Baconator Sep 2017 #231

Keep fighting that primary! Iggo Sep 2017 #25

It doesn't say a thing about the primary BainsBane Sep 2017 #41

Doesn't have to. Iggo Sep 2017 #87

Because it isn't about the General Election BainsBane Sep 2017 #94

I know they're suffering. Iggo Sep 2017 #120

The one that the parties are the same treestar Sep 2017 #26

do you think any of these folks are here on DU and reading this? DrDan Sep 2017 #30

Yes, one has even posted in this thread! n/t seaglass Sep 2017 #54

Agreed. At least one posted in this thread. LonePirate Sep 2017 #88

I saw that. xmas74 Sep 2017 #170

Yep. Squinch Sep 2017 #63

This Thread Should Be Removed..... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #32

Stein did not run in the primary mcar Sep 2017 #114

This is about the general not the primary...as I specifically mention Stein. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #137

I wouldn't include the people who voted for her BainsBane Sep 2017 #38

thank you DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #277

Yep DownriverDem Sep 2017 #39

I lulz'd KG Sep 2017 #40

DU is structured so that it is very very difficult for a RW troll to last long LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #46

+1 Snotcicles Sep 2017 #75

LOL shanny Sep 2017 #48

We shouldn't go down the road of Total Fidelity 24/7 or Eff Off. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #49

Right. Because "total fidelity to the Democratic candidate... in every word and action" Squinch Sep 2017 #67

But total fidelity is the apparent point of the OP (i.e., Its not enough to have voted for HRC) aikoaiko Sep 2017 #76

That conventional wisdom in 2016 was absolutely correct. We are in the position we are in today Squinch Sep 2017 #106

I'm going to try to get a more electable candidate so the choice is easier for everyone else... Baconator Sep 2017 #141

Gosh. A savior! Thank goodness you can single handedly bring everyone around to your Squinch Sep 2017 #155

You want to read that again... Baconator Sep 2017 #192

I merely point out that there were those who discouraged others from voting for Sec. Clinton Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #139

I saw those who posted complaints about HRC but said they would vote aikoaiko Sep 2017 #207

I believe such posts encourage others not to vote for her. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #239

This is why the last campaign was such a complete disaster... Baconator Sep 2017 #50

Had they just handed out Plucketeer Sep 2017 #60

Actually, we had a primary first that other candidates had every opportunity to win but didn't. StevieM Sep 2017 #61

The primary was weak... Baconator Sep 2017 #96

That was a statement made to quickly be rid of a bogus lawsuit, not an admission of anything. StevieM Sep 2017 #126

The e-mail scandal was one thing among many... Baconator Sep 2017 #129

There is nothing the leadership can do to pick the nominee and they have never tried. StevieM Sep 2017 #151

Keep that attitude and enjoy Trump 2020... Baconator Sep 2017 #191

did he have support of the DNC clu Sep 2017 #211

Lol. KTM Sep 2017 #189

WTF?? The primary was weak? The primary was a primary! That's what they look like. Squinch Sep 2017 #154

LOL! And after the primary that sentiment was absolutely correct. Because the alternative is Squinch Sep 2017 #65

The alternative WAS much worse. It was a binary choice and one was much, much worse. yardwork Sep 2017 #81

I don't think you understand what generates enthusiasm... Baconator Sep 2017 #98

If, in any elections going forward, ANYONE demands that the Democratic candidate makes them Squinch Sep 2017 #107

Thank you. yardwork Sep 2017 #119

I'm so sick of this pouty "They're not making me all excited to vote for you" bullshit Squinch Sep 2017 #150

It's nauseating. Literally. yardwork Sep 2017 #156

I don't think folks demanded 'tingly'... Baconator Sep 2017 #123

Again, yes, the other guy IS Satan incarnate. Lives are being ruined by the Squinch Sep 2017 #149

Amen. Starry Messenger Sep 2017 #160

Thank you Squinch. That is exactly what I have been trying to say. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #220

Look at 10 and 14 ;if we base voting on being excited and motivated only the GOP will win... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #219

No one needs perfection... Baconator Sep 2017 #232

Sorry...until you settle for the Democrat regardless of your personal opinion and vote accordingly Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #235

I vote for people and policy... Baconator Sep 2017 #245

And that is why the Republicans own it all. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #246

The party doesn't get votes by default... Baconator Sep 2017 #247

Really so the Democratic party has to earn your vote... and a GOP is just fine if you can't Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #249

Votes are earned... Baconator Sep 2017 #251

Well those who held their votes hostage waiting for the perfect candidate own Mr. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #254

Yet again... No one needs perfect... Most of us would settle for 'good enough' Baconator Sep 2017 #257

You and I differ on that...I settle for the candidate with the 'D' next to his/her name. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #261

Emphasis on the word 'settle' Baconator Sep 2017 #263

I used your words...anytime I am voting Democratic, I am please and proud...in Georgia often Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #265

That's often the case in Democratic elections. This wasnt that unusual. stevenleser Sep 2017 #121

I'd agree with that... Baconator Sep 2017 #124

Or more likely, what is it about this small group that caused them to think so aberrantly? stevenleser Sep 2017 #186

I'll say the same thing to you that I did to the other guy... Baconator Sep 2017 #193

If those people are determined to act sociopathically that's on them stevenleser Sep 2017 #196

Do you want to win... Baconator Sep 2017 #230

I will not be held hostage to people acting sociopathically. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #242

Good luck with that... Baconator Sep 2017 #244

I always will. I don't live my life according to sociopaths wishes on any front. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #260

That's... honest I suppose... Baconator Sep 2017 #264

Yep it is worse and Trump proves that for sure but any GOP type can be expected to enact policies Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #140

People think that voting for another party or withholding their vote... Baconator Sep 2017 #147

Well since they have a variety of must haves for any Democratic candidate...I doubt that would help. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #221

Really, you know why'people' withhold their votes from Democrats? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #248

What about people who didn't have Hillary bumper stickers leftstreet Sep 2017 #52

They'll never own up to it or take responsibility. Nt ecstatic Sep 2017 #55

It is true, but many of us know know who they are and see the same stuff now...the thread Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #142

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #58

Thanks! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #143

DU has become home to relentless smears of progressives . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #64

Yesterday you insisted that unifying Jill Stein is what mattered BainsBane Sep 2017 #90

Great post...I was cooking all day yesterday for a family party. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #222

Nina Turner and her ilk who followed her threw the dreamers under the bus. stevenleser Sep 2017 #91

and yet they deserve it and more. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #223

If you don't vote for the Democratic candidate...you are not a Democrat or Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #145

Ya know, I never heard this sort of . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #148

Nice whataboutism attempt...I don't consider it drumming anyone out of the Dem party...but Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #224

What's good for the Goose-ism? FairWinds Sep 2017 #229

Nothing good came out of electing Trump...there is no revlolution despite that twit Sarandon's Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #236

We've been moving to the right since 1980. jalan48 Sep 2017 #68

This leftstreet Sep 2017 #69

And Trump has moved it to the Nazi right. BainsBane Sep 2017 #100

I think a Trump was inevitable the way we have been moving to the right. jalan48 Sep 2017 #157

Tell that to the dreamers...the it is 'inevitable' meme ...I don't agree. We blew it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #146

We did blow it. I agree. jalan48 Sep 2017 #158

Thank you. I've said this a number of times. Whether people want to believe it or not, Nay Sep 2017 #243

Yup, Europe of the 1930's zipplewrath Sep 2017 #259

Jeebus! Give it a rest! TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #71

"There just aren't that many of them." Ligyron Sep 2017 #153

And it's worth noting that not every Bernie supporter was a Democrat TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #195

pointless fucking thread Chakaconcarne Sep 2017 #72

Tell that to a dreamer. Tell them the consequences of those who didn't vote Hillary don't matter. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #93

How are you helping their situation today? G_j Sep 2017 #128

Sure, a bunch, and I am doing them. None of them have anything to do with this discussion. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #187

OK, when are we going to begin resisting the causes of this suffering? ck4829 Sep 2017 #74

Who knew that the true victims of Trump's order yesterday BainsBane Sep 2017 #80

It's always about them. They weren't INSPIRED by the Democratic nominee. yardwork Sep 2017 #84

It's fascinating how leftism BainsBane Sep 2017 #85

That fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #179

These folks are almost as good as Trump at playing the victim to try to ward off criticism. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #95

And it's equally as effective BainsBane Sep 2017 #99

I wasn't initially going to rec this BainsBane Sep 2017 #86

You can really see how JPR types/Stein voters didn't care about who they hurt stevenleser Sep 2017 #89

I think it goes beyond that BainsBane Sep 2017 #102

I agree . It certainly was beyond " not caring " lunasun Sep 2017 #103

And they're back here on this very thread. Pathwalker Sep 2017 #115

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #92

Everything you just wrote is wrong. stevenleser Sep 2017 #108

You forgot the jackasses Cornell West and Ralph Nader. Those assholes. nt Blue_true Sep 2017 #109

maybe even at the end voted for her grudgingly DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #112

There's more than a bit of Tinkerbell Phenomenon thinking at work Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #173

You make Tink angry. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #177

But that criticism could have caused multiple people to not vote for Hillary...so I say even if in Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #215

They are all over Twitter still mcar Sep 2017 #113

your post is essentially true, and it's obvious some are working through some guilt.. JHan Sep 2017 #116

Kudos! KitSileya Sep 2017 #117

You and me both. fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #182

I concur 100% BlueMTexpat Sep 2017 #210

. JHan Sep 2017 #214

I love your post...and you are completely right. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #262

what struck me in interviews with some Trump supporters.. JHan Sep 2017 #278

K&R! revmclaren Sep 2017 #118

i held my nose, but i was all about, just eat your peas. my uncle voted for a 3rd party in 1980. pansypoo53219 Sep 2017 #130

This is a recording... BrooklynTech Sep 2017 #161

I don't think we need to pound that into their heads anymore. While I agree - I chose to let it go. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #172

You need another hobby, too Warpy Sep 2017 #178

It's more of a tattoo over the old scar. nt fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #183

K&R. lunamagica Sep 2017 #185

Now a pointless hate thread against those who COMPLAINED about HRC... philly_bob Sep 2017 #194

Ah yes Lazy Daisy Sep 2017 #197

Threads like this accomplish orangecrush Sep 2017 #198

They help to divide the Left. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #201

I voted for Bernie then voted for Hillary Lithos Sep 2017 #199

Before you post an OP, ask yourself, "Does this sound like something Donald Trump would tweet?" Gore1FL Sep 2017 #200

yep. Some folks look for answers Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #209

Reply #29 says it all democrank Sep 2017 #202

This post is truly pointless and counter-productive. appal_jack Sep 2017 #203

The entire point is that the Dems are in a self-defeating cycle where we punish the party by not Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #225

Is there a special sign-up sheet someplace shanny Sep 2017 #204

Bingo. nt SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #218

Is there a special sign up sheet where people pledge to post article trashing the Democratic Party, Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #226

two wrongs make it right? shanny Sep 2017 #228

I didn't say it was wrong. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #241

yeah, ok shanny Sep 2017 #255

Why are you so convinced she lost? I think the election was stolen. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #213

It might have been. But only close elections are easily stolen...and we know that Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #227

Among Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #252

Exactly...very suspicious. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #253

Your post makes me wonder which is more irritating... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #233

Easy decision ....goose stepping and torches...both were enabled by the election of Trump...so here Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #234

I, too, dislike goose stepping. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #250

I think most of those people were lost to us anyway. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #256

Trump is such an abomination that I will never forgive those who didn't vote for Hillary. Beacool Sep 2017 #270

Look how GIDDY Susan Sarandon is about Trump... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #279