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74. OK, when are we going to begin resisting the causes of this suffering?

Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:07 AM

Sep 2017

I'd give one of my fingers if we would start seeing threads referencing these:

http://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FDTD.pdf
https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-16.pdf
https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_13.pdf
http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/fw/9611/guide.html
http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/fw/9410/computers.html
http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/fw/9606/guide.html
http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/fw/9605/guide1.html

I voted for Hillary in the general election, not grudgingly either, but "At least I voted for her" will be of no comfort to me if it all continues to go south.

If my nephew's skin starts to turn colors, his belly swells, and he desperately needs an organ transplant which is already facing hurdles because of the world's greatest healthcare system (TM), if the 'other' Americans such as people who benefit from DACA, Muslim Americans, the GLBTQ, etc. face mounting repression, and if the ideas we all share such as liberalism face erasure from the public discourse and with more extreme people demanding erasure of the people who hold these ideas all take root, then by all means let's give a middle finger to Sarandon, Stein, and Turner... but let's remember, that it won't actually fix anything in the end.

But this can be fixed, this can be resisted; Trump, Putin, the Adam Lanza and Dylann Roof Wannabes of the "alt-right" Nazis, and the people who want to make it seem OK to tear your eyes out over listening to a Democrat are not divine or a force of nature; their tropes and cliches can be deflated, their groups defunded, their leaders discredited, and the things they consider targets defended.

I've ruminated over "the one who got away" for a long time, and when I was done ruminating, she was still gone. And I'm afraid that's what we're doing here... ruminating on the past, not looking for treatment for what's happening today, not researching or coordinating on strategies and tactics of resistance, and not focused on the future.

If we can't discuss the documents above, then I wish someone would direct me via PM to a place where it is possible, some place in addition to this forum.

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For All who didn't support Hillary Clinton in the general...who complained about her on various [View all] Demsrule86 Sep 2017 OP

I completely agree, but don't understand the point of these threads that pop up every week or so. cwydro Sep 2017 #1

People are upset and want (need?) to vent. MoonRiver Sep 2017 #2

Well, I'm sure you're right about the need to vent. cwydro Sep 2017 #6

seriously, it's a little late to vent as if the election was next month mdbl Sep 2017 #16

Bingo. cwydro Sep 2017 #31

I wouldn't bet on that n/t radical noodle Sep 2017 #56

Me neither. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #59

Yep. nt sheshe2 Sep 2017 #131

Au contraire. They definitely are here. n/t Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #162

I saw a few still lingering xmas74 Sep 2017 #163

You said it. nt zentrum Sep 2017 #208

We need to repeat this OP everyday until people learn that voting or not wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #27

I think part of it is what is going on now...with Move On fielding a primary challenger to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #135

You oppose primary challenges? rpannier Sep 2017 #190

In 18 with the God Damned GOP in complete control...you better believe Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #240

Primary challenges *may* strengthen the general election candidate sometimes summer_in_TX Sep 2017 #206

Wrong. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #216

No it doesn't...it wastes resources and time...and doesn't strengthen anyone. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #238

fwiw: shanny Sep 2017 #17

interesting article, thank you irisblue Sep 2017 #44

Thank you GeoWilliam750 Sep 2017 #152

That is it exactly. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #134

Me too. MoonRiver Sep 2017 #138

Shock at everything MFM008 Sep 2017 #3

It's a reminder about immature petulance and unrequited purity vs unselfish common sense and noble haveahart Sep 2017 #4

Exactly. nt Blue_true Sep 2017 #110

It's as simple as this: Had Bernie won the nomination at least 99% of Hillary supporters would have haveahart Sep 2017 #272

Yes they are still here. George II Sep 2017 #5

If that's the case, I hope they expose themselves soon. cwydro Sep 2017 #7

They do it all the time. BainsBane Sep 2017 #43

Just look at responses from folks trying to play the victim. There they are. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #97

Every Morning DownriverDem Sep 2017 #42

My feelings exactly lunamagica Sep 2017 #180

I agree. I don't get this constant PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #70

Because Johnson isn't the type of candidate xmas74 Sep 2017 #166

Even so, the votes for Stein PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #168

The votes for Stein in a few states were crucial. xmas74 Sep 2017 #169

Not only that... revmclaren Sep 2017 #174

Yes, they are still part of the DU community. Some are even group hosts. LonePirate Sep 2017 #77

And on jury duty. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #132

I see posters here every day who proudly pledged never to vote for Hillary. yardwork Sep 2017 #79

I've been here for nearly fifteen years. xmas74 Sep 2017 #167

Some are still posting here lunasun Sep 2017 #101

I have been gone and this is my first...I was just so angry when I heard that 45 was going to end Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #133

because people need to be reminded Skittles Sep 2017 #159

It's sort of like Antifa; never again. nt fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #176

What is the point of this thread? Who on DU didn't support HRC in the general? -nt CrispyQ Sep 2017 #8

You may be surprised if truthful numbers were given. Lots of folks troll here. It's one of the haveahart Sep 2017 #9

projection NJCher Sep 2017 #10

Nope. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #12

sorry, but you're wrong NJCher Sep 2017 #15

Oh good lord. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #28

where does it say I read it on the internet? NJCher Sep 2017 #105

true G_j Sep 2017 #33

+1 KTM Sep 2017 #73

This is a board for Democrats. Do you have anything to offer about third party people R B Garr Sep 2017 #82

can't help you there NJCher Sep 2017 #171

Hillary got more votes than any of her competitors, and that's a fact. R B Garr Sep 2017 #175

thinking error NJCher Sep 2017 #258

It's a fact that Hillary got more votes than her competitors. R B Garr Sep 2017 #266

Bernie was cheated out of the opportunity NJCher Sep 2017 #267

Bernie wasn't cheated out of anything. R B Garr Sep 2017 #268

call it what you want NJCher Sep 2017 #269

Donald Trump also thinks he won the popular vote. R B Garr Sep 2017 #271

yeah, but tiny hands is nuts NJCher Sep 2017 #273

Excuse me, but it's also difficult to say that millions of people who voted for Clinton R B Garr Sep 2017 #274

re-read my post #258 NJCher Sep 2017 #275

You are also blaming, so what does that make you? R B Garr Sep 2017 #276

Some people get what you're putting down.... KTM Sep 2017 #181

No YOU are wrong and it is easy to point out why stevenleser Sep 2017 #188

Consequences Frances Sep 2017 #13

do you realize you're becoming the thought police? NJCher Sep 2017 #21

If that poster is becoming thought police, then so are you. You're doing the same thing. Squinch Sep 2017 #62

It absolutely IS for us to decide how people experience the consequences of their actions. stevenleser Sep 2017 #111

Thanks for this sensible post Frances Sep 2017 #280

Amen fallout87 Sep 2017 #104

"Blaming others takes the responsibility off themselves." Often true. mia Sep 2017 #20

And perhaps people who still post at JPR will never have a clue about the distrust and anger seaglass Sep 2017 #51

That is correct. I could not believe supposed progressives would enable Trump. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #212

I think you nailed it. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2017 #164

some might have only 'grudgingly" supported her though!! m-lekktor Sep 2017 #22

It's a purity thing. Even if you voted for the nominee in the GE the fact that you supported Autumn Sep 2017 #29

apparently there shouldn't be any criticism of policy clu Sep 2017 #36

I too am stunned by some of these posts. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #281

BINGO! LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #57

Well according to the OP melman Sep 2017 #34

Like not crying loud enough at King Jong Il's funeral Generic Other Sep 2017 #122

LMAO! Perfect. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #165

. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #184

Yup. It is just. that. silly. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #217

Agree. cwydro Sep 2017 #35

Wasn't aimed at DU just folks in general who went to websites (this one sometimes) Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #136

"What is the point of this thread?" Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #237

People who enabled Trump's election probably don't care about DACA IronLionZion Sep 2017 #11

Who are you talking to? crim son Sep 2017 #14

But they are here, so? n/t seaglass Sep 2017 #53

Not having a dog in this hunt, but... CanSocDem Sep 2017 #18

You nailed it. mjvpi Sep 2017 #47

Off topic ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #19

This should be posted on a rightwing site not here. EOM tiredtoo Sep 2017 #23

The right supports Trump BainsBane Sep 2017 #45

The right opposes the left. tiredtoo Sep 2017 #66

Left? What does that mean to you? BainsBane Sep 2017 #78

To me the left means Democratic party tiredtoo Sep 2017 #125

Honestly, I don't see the need for these types of threads. Trump didn't win. PatrickforO Sep 2017 #24

K&R brush Sep 2017 #37

Hear! Hear! and Thank You solara Sep 2017 #83

K&R EOM tiredtoo Sep 2017 #127

Popular vote in an American Presidential election is like Time of Possession in a Superbowl... Baconator Sep 2017 #144

Not if we get enough state legislatures to pass PatrickforO Sep 2017 #205

Then that's a different game with different rules... Baconator Sep 2017 #231

Keep fighting that primary! Iggo Sep 2017 #25

It doesn't say a thing about the primary BainsBane Sep 2017 #41

Doesn't have to. Iggo Sep 2017 #87

Because it isn't about the General Election BainsBane Sep 2017 #94

I know they're suffering. Iggo Sep 2017 #120

The one that the parties are the same treestar Sep 2017 #26

do you think any of these folks are here on DU and reading this? DrDan Sep 2017 #30

Yes, one has even posted in this thread! n/t seaglass Sep 2017 #54

Agreed. At least one posted in this thread. LonePirate Sep 2017 #88

I saw that. xmas74 Sep 2017 #170

Yep. Squinch Sep 2017 #63

This Thread Should Be Removed..... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #32

Stein did not run in the primary mcar Sep 2017 #114

This is about the general not the primary...as I specifically mention Stein. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #137

I wouldn't include the people who voted for her BainsBane Sep 2017 #38

thank you DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #277

Yep DownriverDem Sep 2017 #39

I lulz'd KG Sep 2017 #40

DU is structured so that it is very very difficult for a RW troll to last long LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #46

+1 Snotcicles Sep 2017 #75

LOL shanny Sep 2017 #48

We shouldn't go down the road of Total Fidelity 24/7 or Eff Off. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #49

Right. Because "total fidelity to the Democratic candidate... in every word and action" Squinch Sep 2017 #67

But total fidelity is the apparent point of the OP (i.e., Its not enough to have voted for HRC) aikoaiko Sep 2017 #76

That conventional wisdom in 2016 was absolutely correct. We are in the position we are in today Squinch Sep 2017 #106

I'm going to try to get a more electable candidate so the choice is easier for everyone else... Baconator Sep 2017 #141

Gosh. A savior! Thank goodness you can single handedly bring everyone around to your Squinch Sep 2017 #155

You want to read that again... Baconator Sep 2017 #192

I merely point out that there were those who discouraged others from voting for Sec. Clinton Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #139

I saw those who posted complaints about HRC but said they would vote aikoaiko Sep 2017 #207

I believe such posts encourage others not to vote for her. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #239

This is why the last campaign was such a complete disaster... Baconator Sep 2017 #50

Had they just handed out Plucketeer Sep 2017 #60

Actually, we had a primary first that other candidates had every opportunity to win but didn't. StevieM Sep 2017 #61

The primary was weak... Baconator Sep 2017 #96

That was a statement made to quickly be rid of a bogus lawsuit, not an admission of anything. StevieM Sep 2017 #126

The e-mail scandal was one thing among many... Baconator Sep 2017 #129

There is nothing the leadership can do to pick the nominee and they have never tried. StevieM Sep 2017 #151

Keep that attitude and enjoy Trump 2020... Baconator Sep 2017 #191

did he have support of the DNC clu Sep 2017 #211

Lol. KTM Sep 2017 #189

WTF?? The primary was weak? The primary was a primary! That's what they look like. Squinch Sep 2017 #154

LOL! And after the primary that sentiment was absolutely correct. Because the alternative is Squinch Sep 2017 #65

The alternative WAS much worse. It was a binary choice and one was much, much worse. yardwork Sep 2017 #81

I don't think you understand what generates enthusiasm... Baconator Sep 2017 #98

If, in any elections going forward, ANYONE demands that the Democratic candidate makes them Squinch Sep 2017 #107

Thank you. yardwork Sep 2017 #119

I'm so sick of this pouty "They're not making me all excited to vote for you" bullshit Squinch Sep 2017 #150

It's nauseating. Literally. yardwork Sep 2017 #156

I don't think folks demanded 'tingly'... Baconator Sep 2017 #123

Again, yes, the other guy IS Satan incarnate. Lives are being ruined by the Squinch Sep 2017 #149

Amen. Starry Messenger Sep 2017 #160

Thank you Squinch. That is exactly what I have been trying to say. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #220

Look at 10 and 14 ;if we base voting on being excited and motivated only the GOP will win... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #219

No one needs perfection... Baconator Sep 2017 #232

Sorry...until you settle for the Democrat regardless of your personal opinion and vote accordingly Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #235

I vote for people and policy... Baconator Sep 2017 #245

And that is why the Republicans own it all. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #246

The party doesn't get votes by default... Baconator Sep 2017 #247

Really so the Democratic party has to earn your vote... and a GOP is just fine if you can't Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #249

Votes are earned... Baconator Sep 2017 #251

Well those who held their votes hostage waiting for the perfect candidate own Mr. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #254

Yet again... No one needs perfect... Most of us would settle for 'good enough' Baconator Sep 2017 #257

You and I differ on that...I settle for the candidate with the 'D' next to his/her name. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #261

Emphasis on the word 'settle' Baconator Sep 2017 #263

I used your words...anytime I am voting Democratic, I am please and proud...in Georgia often Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #265

That's often the case in Democratic elections. This wasnt that unusual. stevenleser Sep 2017 #121

I'd agree with that... Baconator Sep 2017 #124

Or more likely, what is it about this small group that caused them to think so aberrantly? stevenleser Sep 2017 #186

I'll say the same thing to you that I did to the other guy... Baconator Sep 2017 #193

If those people are determined to act sociopathically that's on them stevenleser Sep 2017 #196

Do you want to win... Baconator Sep 2017 #230

I will not be held hostage to people acting sociopathically. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #242

Good luck with that... Baconator Sep 2017 #244

I always will. I don't live my life according to sociopaths wishes on any front. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #260

That's... honest I suppose... Baconator Sep 2017 #264

Yep it is worse and Trump proves that for sure but any GOP type can be expected to enact policies Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #140

People think that voting for another party or withholding their vote... Baconator Sep 2017 #147

Well since they have a variety of must haves for any Democratic candidate...I doubt that would help. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #221

Really, you know why'people' withhold their votes from Democrats? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #248

What about people who didn't have Hillary bumper stickers leftstreet Sep 2017 #52

They'll never own up to it or take responsibility. Nt ecstatic Sep 2017 #55

It is true, but many of us know know who they are and see the same stuff now...the thread Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #142

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #58

Thanks! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #143

DU has become home to relentless smears of progressives . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #64

Yesterday you insisted that unifying Jill Stein is what mattered BainsBane Sep 2017 #90

Great post...I was cooking all day yesterday for a family party. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #222

Nina Turner and her ilk who followed her threw the dreamers under the bus. stevenleser Sep 2017 #91

and yet they deserve it and more. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #223

If you don't vote for the Democratic candidate...you are not a Democrat or Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #145

Ya know, I never heard this sort of . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #148

Nice whataboutism attempt...I don't consider it drumming anyone out of the Dem party...but Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #224

What's good for the Goose-ism? FairWinds Sep 2017 #229

Nothing good came out of electing Trump...there is no revlolution despite that twit Sarandon's Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #236

We've been moving to the right since 1980. jalan48 Sep 2017 #68

This leftstreet Sep 2017 #69

And Trump has moved it to the Nazi right. BainsBane Sep 2017 #100

I think a Trump was inevitable the way we have been moving to the right. jalan48 Sep 2017 #157

Tell that to the dreamers...the it is 'inevitable' meme ...I don't agree. We blew it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #146

We did blow it. I agree. jalan48 Sep 2017 #158

Thank you. I've said this a number of times. Whether people want to believe it or not, Nay Sep 2017 #243

Yup, Europe of the 1930's zipplewrath Sep 2017 #259

Jeebus! Give it a rest! TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #71

"There just aren't that many of them." Ligyron Sep 2017 #153

And it's worth noting that not every Bernie supporter was a Democrat TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #195

pointless fucking thread Chakaconcarne Sep 2017 #72

Tell that to a dreamer. Tell them the consequences of those who didn't vote Hillary don't matter. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #93

How are you helping their situation today? G_j Sep 2017 #128

Sure, a bunch, and I am doing them. None of them have anything to do with this discussion. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #187

OK, when are we going to begin resisting the causes of this suffering? ck4829 Sep 2017 #74

Who knew that the true victims of Trump's order yesterday BainsBane Sep 2017 #80

It's always about them. They weren't INSPIRED by the Democratic nominee. yardwork Sep 2017 #84

It's fascinating how leftism BainsBane Sep 2017 #85

That fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #179

These folks are almost as good as Trump at playing the victim to try to ward off criticism. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #95

And it's equally as effective BainsBane Sep 2017 #99

I wasn't initially going to rec this BainsBane Sep 2017 #86

You can really see how JPR types/Stein voters didn't care about who they hurt stevenleser Sep 2017 #89

I think it goes beyond that BainsBane Sep 2017 #102

I agree . It certainly was beyond " not caring " lunasun Sep 2017 #103

And they're back here on this very thread. Pathwalker Sep 2017 #115

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #92

Everything you just wrote is wrong. stevenleser Sep 2017 #108

You forgot the jackasses Cornell West and Ralph Nader. Those assholes. nt Blue_true Sep 2017 #109

maybe even at the end voted for her grudgingly DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #112

There's more than a bit of Tinkerbell Phenomenon thinking at work Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #173

You make Tink angry. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #177

But that criticism could have caused multiple people to not vote for Hillary...so I say even if in Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #215

They are all over Twitter still mcar Sep 2017 #113

your post is essentially true, and it's obvious some are working through some guilt.. JHan Sep 2017 #116

Kudos! KitSileya Sep 2017 #117

You and me both. fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #182

I concur 100% BlueMTexpat Sep 2017 #210

. JHan Sep 2017 #214

I love your post...and you are completely right. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #262

what struck me in interviews with some Trump supporters.. JHan Sep 2017 #278

K&R! revmclaren Sep 2017 #118

i held my nose, but i was all about, just eat your peas. my uncle voted for a 3rd party in 1980. pansypoo53219 Sep 2017 #130

This is a recording... BrooklynTech Sep 2017 #161

I don't think we need to pound that into their heads anymore. While I agree - I chose to let it go. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #172

You need another hobby, too Warpy Sep 2017 #178

It's more of a tattoo over the old scar. nt fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #183

K&R. lunamagica Sep 2017 #185

Now a pointless hate thread against those who COMPLAINED about HRC... philly_bob Sep 2017 #194

Ah yes Lazy Daisy Sep 2017 #197

Threads like this accomplish orangecrush Sep 2017 #198

They help to divide the Left. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #201

I voted for Bernie then voted for Hillary Lithos Sep 2017 #199

Before you post an OP, ask yourself, "Does this sound like something Donald Trump would tweet?" Gore1FL Sep 2017 #200

yep. Some folks look for answers Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #209

Reply #29 says it all democrank Sep 2017 #202

This post is truly pointless and counter-productive. appal_jack Sep 2017 #203

The entire point is that the Dems are in a self-defeating cycle where we punish the party by not Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #225

Is there a special sign-up sheet someplace shanny Sep 2017 #204

Bingo. nt SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #218

Is there a special sign up sheet where people pledge to post article trashing the Democratic Party, Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #226

two wrongs make it right? shanny Sep 2017 #228

I didn't say it was wrong. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #241

yeah, ok shanny Sep 2017 #255

Why are you so convinced she lost? I think the election was stolen. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #213

It might have been. But only close elections are easily stolen...and we know that Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #227

Among Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #252

Exactly...very suspicious. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #253

Your post makes me wonder which is more irritating... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #233

Easy decision ....goose stepping and torches...both were enabled by the election of Trump...so here Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #234

I, too, dislike goose stepping. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #250

I think most of those people were lost to us anyway. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #256

Trump is such an abomination that I will never forgive those who didn't vote for Hillary. Beacool Sep 2017 #270

Look how GIDDY Susan Sarandon is about Trump... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #279