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cliss

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60. I think we tried to rig the election,

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 02:12 AM

Jul 2012

and we lost. I've been following the story of the upcoming election in Egypt. The US clearly supported Mr. Shafik. He was a crony of Mubarak. The US hoped he would win, even though he was part of the hated former dictator. I read in the WSJ that John Kerry flew to Egypt, and only spoke with Shafik.

Amazingly, the election was close (that's how you win, by a narrow margin). The election was contested, with both men claiming victory. But the popular support was too much. Mohammed Morsi won, with about 52%.

So I think the State Department just had an enormous defeat. They could probably tell the support was too strong, they didn't want another riot.

So now Clinton has her hands full trying to get Mr. Morsi to do her bidding. I"m sure it doesn't help her image to have demonstrators throwing tomatoes.
I've read comments in the WSJ: they are nervous as hell. The British press too, there are fear-filled commentaries about the muslim brotherhood, fanatics, etc.

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Hillary Clinton motorcade pelted with tomatoes, shoes in Egypt [View all] marmar Jul 2012 OP

how sickening demtenjeep Jul 2012 #1

Yeah, those damned ungrateful Egyptians! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2012 #114

What kind of shoes? Iggy Jul 2012 #2

Remember what happened to Bush* in Iraq? Rhiannon12866 Jul 2012 #71

Yes! I remember that Iggy Jul 2012 #77

Scum suckers NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #3

Scumsuckers? Do you mean the American imperial authorities... JackRiddler Jul 2012 #63

You are projecting. The protesters are protesting in favor of the military stevenleser Jul 2012 #82

You might be right, but... JackRiddler Jul 2012 #137

Political affiliations unclear? joshcryer Jul 2012 #4

Freedom of expression, very happy that they still have that right in Egypt! Just goes to show that teddy51 Jul 2012 #5

Did anyone think we were "so loved all over the world"? Sounds like you've created quite the..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #41

No, actually we are hated around the world and we certainly deserve it. Over the years and teddy51 Jul 2012 #44

Perhaps the Greens will spread your message far and wide? Talk about "hate and filth". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #46

Lol... Ok then! Have a nice nite! teddy51 Jul 2012 #48

And you as well! USA! USA! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #49

i see you've met a few of DUs non dems. ASSANGE/MANNING 2012!1!1 dionysus Jul 2012 #93

They crack me the hell up! ASSANGE/MANNING 2012!!!! Indeed. Ralph Nader for SOS! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #122

You consider assault to be freedom of expression. nt NCTraveler Jul 2012 #81

Chanting and throwing tomatoes and shoes at a moving motorcade really don't qualify as assault. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #87

"A tomato struck an Egyptian official in the face" NCTraveler Jul 2012 #94

Understandable, really Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #6

What you said. snot Jul 2012 #9

So if someone didn't like you it would be fine with you if they tormented your wife then? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #10

she's the secretary of state, not someone's wife. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #12

Starting to feel like I have a stalker NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #16

i thought it was a discussion board, not a private conversation. i didn't make a personal remark HiPointDem Jul 2012 #21

Sorry, but I think your the one with the problem! Hillary Clinton gets what she stands for. The teddy51 Jul 2012 #25

She wasn't SoS during Bill Clinton's administration. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #31

It's called association, and yes maybe they did an association with Hillary. teddy51 Jul 2012 #36

she's the overseas representative of the US government and its foreign policy. they can blame HiPointDem Jul 2012 #53

They can do whatever the they want. They have every right to do so. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #56

as the representative of us foreign policy, they can blame her for bill's foreign policy, or nixon's HiPointDem Jul 2012 #75

I don't dispute that at all. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #56

Ding ding ding we have a winner. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #42

Don, she is representing the government of the US nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #19

Nadin, did you even read what the poster wrote before you responded to my post? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #22

Yes, and I know exactly where he is coming from nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #24

Did you also realize that the protesters were in favor of Mubarak and in favor of the military and stevenleser Jul 2012 #84

No, since that's not in the article. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #89

Here are the relevant passages. It's like the NY Times article analyzing the 2000 Florida Ballots... stevenleser Jul 2012 #92

It's a lot more than just pro-Muslim Brotherhood or pro-Mubarak. The revolutionaries also don't Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #124

Perhaps you should learn a bit more about the situation in Egypt before responding. And perhaps stevenleser Jul 2012 #130

What agenda am I clinging to? What articles am I not reading? What do I need to learn? Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #134

I am pretty sure the poster knew that NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #90

Don this has nothing to do with the Obama administration nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #96

It's more than Yankee go home, it's "Yankee, why didnt you support Mubarak/military vs Muslim..." stevenleser Jul 2012 #103

You have no evidence for that claim. There are more parties at stake in Egypt than Mubarak Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #125

The evidence is right in the article. nt stevenleser Jul 2012 #129

No it's not. And you know that. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #136

Yes, and... these dynamics are common in OTHER countries nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #95

Which dynamics? There are several being discussed. nt stevenleser Jul 2012 #99

See post 97 nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #100

They'd do the same thing if George Bush showed up Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #76

Problem is that is not what you wrote in your post I was responding to. Here is what you wrote NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #91

She does hold some minor position in our government 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #88

Hillary Clinton was the first lady, not part of his administration... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #33

More than likely for their own gain, certainly not for the Egyptian people. The US has absolutely teddy51 Jul 2012 #35

And that's why I can't take these assholes seriously... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #65

H. Clinton: "I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family." Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #66

A lot of people did. Hell, at one point, so did the Egyptian people... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #67

The Egyptian democratic activist have been working for more than a decade... Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #70

If they havent been discovered to be torturers and killers, how would you know? stevenleser Jul 2012 #111

The Obama Administration helped oust Mubarak? Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #43

Link? Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #64

And the US still sends guns to the SCAF which are still used to suppress the people. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #38

As I said to another poster above, you are projecting. These protesters are in favor of the military stevenleser Jul 2012 #83

And these are very common dynamics nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #97

Perhaps, but the poster I replied to is making a specific assertion that is not correct. stevenleser Jul 2012 #101

And some of that may be at play as well nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #104

The article makes no such suggestion. The only specific protesters are pro-military. I think the stevenleser Jul 2012 #106

Well again, I am too far to fact check reuters nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #108

I'm familiar with generic anti-American sentiment on three continents. This doesnt seem like it. stevenleser Jul 2012 #110

Then we can agree to disagree nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #112

I've addressed this assertion of your's several times now. It's certainly possible Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #127

You have repeatedly regurgitated your talking points without reading articles, and you purport stevenleser Jul 2012 #131

Disgusting. I'm no fan of many diplomats from some countries (like the KSA) riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #7

maybe you would if they ran roughshod over your country and installed & replaced your leaders. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #14

Just innoculating herself customerserviceguy Jul 2012 #8

This has nothing to do with "The Clintons," it's the Obama Admin. ilikeitthatway Jul 2012 #11

If we got out, several countries would still sell oil to folks who would bring it to the U.S. n/t amandabeech Jul 2012 #13

True, true ilikeitthatway Jul 2012 #17

Yes ! ode2joi Jul 2012 #29

I have no idea what you are talking about. n/t amandabeech Jul 2012 #51

The Taliban were armed nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #107

the egyptians have a lot to blame the us for. blowback is a bitch. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #15

Not EVERYTHING is the US' fault ilikeitthatway Jul 2012 #18

i think they're better informed than you are. in the case of egypt, yes, a lot of things are the HiPointDem Jul 2012 #20

And it certainly is not limited to Egypt, the US has it's hands in so many nasties around the world. teddy51 Jul 2012 #26

No, but Egypt was one of the leading recipients of US military aid under Mubarak. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #39

yankee go home! KG Jul 2012 #23

That's right! teddy51 Jul 2012 #28

WTF frogmarch Jul 2012 #27

It's called association, and yes maybe they did an association with Hillary. teddy51 Jul 2012 #30

assholes. Why are we helping them? progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #32

Acts like what? We pumped up there Dictator for years and we deserve what we get! We have teddy51 Jul 2012 #34

I am pretty sure our "help" i.e. military aid for a brutal dictator and our continued support Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #40

We support a brutal dictator who killed his own people... white_wolf Jul 2012 #54

+1. Don't you just love all the many hypotheses being presented here. The "Blame America First" Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #62

'The "Blame America First" crowd' marmar Jul 2012 #72

You're probably the expert, I don't listen to Hannity. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #73

Let's not do the "Blame America First" nonsense ilikeitthatway Jul 2012 #117

Well, if the "shoe" fits? No pun intended. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #123

Jeane Kirkpatrick is that you? Those San Francisco Democrats are still at it I see. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #128

More "regurgitation"? Thanks, but I'll pass. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #132

You are the one who quoted Jeane Kirkpatrick's 1984 Republican National Convention Speech. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #133

A country didn't "act like that," a handful of protesters did. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #69

And if you watch the video, it was indeed a handful at most. Prometheus Bound Jul 2012 #74

Can you blame them? The US, including Obama, supported Mubarak with weapons. We still send guns to Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #37

Oh, I think "we get it". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #45

No we don't! If we did we would change the way we do business and stop supporting the thugs teddy51 Jul 2012 #47

Well alrighty then! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #50

It's amazing that choie Jul 2012 #85

The protesters are Mubarak/Military supporters who think we didnt support them enough stevenleser Jul 2012 #86

Both Clinton and her hand-picked shithead Frank Wisner were shilling for Mubark publicly as... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #52

H. Clinton: "I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family." Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #55

I think we tried to rig the election, cliss Jul 2012 #60

Hmmm...I'm thinking this year is not the year to go see the pyramids. n/t Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #61

As long as we support right wing dictators & avaricious moponopolies, we deserve their hatred. Vidar Jul 2012 #68

"prostestors" ? annabanana Jul 2012 #78

Whole story is massive "shiny thing" annabanana Jul 2012 #79

Yup, the tomatoes are the give away to a point nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #105

Hey Hillary ...how's that American exceptionalism working out for ya? L0oniX Jul 2012 #98

Seems like the protesters werent getting enough of it, so they protested. stevenleser Jul 2012 #109

One right-winger I know on a mainstream forum was gleeful about this... jimlup Jul 2012 #102

I guess shoe throwing is only appropriate when the target is a repuke. hughee99 Jul 2012 #113

George Bush killed over a billion people and wouldn't stop ilikeitthatway Jul 2012 #118

A Billion people? hughee99 Jul 2012 #119

Not a fan of the chimp nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #120

Some of you are projecting. Beacool Jul 2012 #115

That's not entirely true. They were organized by pro-Revolution Liberal and Coptic groups who think Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #135

Chickens coming home to roost, MadHound Jul 2012 #116

Except that these were pro Mubarak supporters. Beacool Jul 2012 #121

My wife would love this. She can never have enough shoes! n/t Ian David Jul 2012 #126