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Ken Burch

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75. And she has already been heard. People have heard the excerpts and they will buy the book anyway.

Tue Sep 5, 2017, 06:21 PM

Sep 2017

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All I did is respond.

I hope you aren't saying a person can't respect someone and disagree with them at the same time. I spoke with nothing but respect about HRC there.

It's not divisive simply to question something a former presidential candidate says.

What's divisive is blaming the strong runner-up in the primaries for something he didn't cause. It's not as though the Comey thing and what the Russians did wouldn't have happened, and the twenty-five years of right-wing attacks wouldn't have had any affect if only Hillary had been nominated without opposition.

And I haven't been disrespectful to anyone who WANTED to discuss the book. I haven't said anything ABOUT anyone who wanted to discuss it.

I just want us to unify and win in '18 and '20.

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We need ALL of us...we need the voters who backed BOTH primary candidates. [View all] Ken Burch Sep 2017 OP

"If we allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good, we'll lose again" oasis Sep 2017 #1

That is a horrible quote. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #2

That's not "code", it's how you choose to interpret the message. oasis Sep 2017 #9

We can't just leave the grassroots with no say. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #11

"Viable" solutions to the needs of poor and working class oasis Sep 2017 #16

The DEMOCRATIC grassroots preferred HRC and that's why she was the DEMOCRATIC nominee. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #70

The grassroots were not saying there should be no change. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #76

Yes we in DEMOCRATIC grassroots wanted change, like having a super-smart woman on the Oval Office Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #78

I campaigned for HRC in the fall as did the vast majority of Sanders supporters Ken Burch Sep 2017 #91

You just can't resist the insults and slurs aimed at DEMOCRATS that are almost... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #94

No insults and no slurs, and I'm as much of a DEMOCRAT as you are. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #103

Don't try to play us, Ken Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #108

I didn't say she supported it. I said she largely left it unchallenged. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #118

A distinction without a difference. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #121

She was attacked by Trump, not by Sanders people. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #127

The answer to economic challenges will never be found in cheap theatrics... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #133

They can't be found in tiny changes. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #136

IMO this is just more empty demogogery Ken, of the sort that's... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #141

Us? shanny Sep 2017 #162

Just not "that woman" mcar Sep 2017 #100

Just not the least progressive person we could have nominated. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #107

Who are you talking about? mcar Sep 2017 #109

And I supported her in the fall Ken Burch Sep 2017 #112

Comey, Russia, the media, sexism mcar Sep 2017 #116

Did you mention "sexism"? lapucelle Sep 2017 #122

She didn't lose any progressive votes due to sexism. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #123

Considering the rhetoric of some *not all* mcar Sep 2017 #129

I condemn any website that would do that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #134

Thanks but I already said that mcar Sep 2017 #137

I agree that what those people are doing is stupid and wrong. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #140

Well there we are in agreement mcar Sep 2017 #143

Did you really say that Clinton was the "least progressive person we could have nominated"? Really? George II Sep 2017 #115

I didn't say she wasn't progressive on anything. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #131

You didn't say "moderate" (what's wrong with that anyway?), you said "least progressive". George II Sep 2017 #146

Same thing. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #148

"Significantly progressive" isn't "moderate". So, if you had five true progressives in a room.... George II Sep 2017 #149

If there message was "I'm the only one who's not 'too liberal' to win". Ken Burch Sep 2017 #150

Uh...HRC is a liberal (and a great one). When one moves away from liberalism... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #158

Define "radical leftist ideology". HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #184

HRC was the "least progressive" person the DEMOCRATIC Party... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #154

You're right about that! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #163

I'm not attacking the party Ken Burch Sep 2017 #172

When compared with populists on the right and on the left... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #174

True, was a big Elizabeth supporter... then threw my support to Bernie when she didn't run... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #153

The Democratic party base is AA, POC and women mcar Sep 2017 #96

Some feel that "the leadership of the Democratic Party" guillaumeb Sep 2017 #33

Obama and Dems were in the driver's seat in 2008. oasis Sep 2017 #48

It's not as simple as putting it down to voter complacency. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #53

Yes, voters should vote in every election. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #55

I'm retired but have maintained my membership oasis Sep 2017 #67

Pretty simple, actually. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #90

Nothing Obama did was good enough mcar Sep 2017 #102

That. Thanks for emphasizing a voter's responsibility -- learn the issues and VOTE! ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #139

It's really that easy mcar Sep 2017 #142

I know, it really is that simple vs finding issues to spotlight then use a bully pit to force ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #147

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #58

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #60

Why? shanny Sep 2017 #161

By 2020, those who looked in the mirror after biting off their noses oasis Sep 2017 #166

But you want to silence her. You don't want debate, you want everyone to take your position lunamagica Sep 2017 #47

I don't want to silence her. And I do want debate. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #89

Then there is Nina Turner sowing division. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #173

No, that is the message. Hillary's book is her story and it is full of facts and honest perspective haveahart Sep 2017 #83

Which book? Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #3

You know the one I'm talking about. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #4

I promise that I know the one you are talking about. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #5

My point is that no one should be dividing us. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #7

That's not how it works. That's not how any of it works. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #8

I'm not a former Democratic nominee. I wrote that years later, maybe decades later. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #12

"I'm not a former Democratic nominee." Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #14

It's simply math. We can't get those peoples' votes by forcing them to abandon all group identity Ken Burch Sep 2017 #21

I truly can't make sense of this. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #25

We can't ask for their support if our party ends up blaming 2016 on Bernie. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #124

No Way What Nina & The Others Want Need To Be Taken To Account Me. Sep 2017 #35

There are many books. Which one do you mean? MineralMan Sep 2017 #6

So why be coy about the fact that you are (once again) trashing Hillary Clinton? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #72

I assume this is about Clinton's book where she said that Bernie's attacks probably hurt her. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #10

Yes Ken Burch Sep 2017 #13

Ignoring reality "hurts the party". NurseJackie Sep 2017 #19

Hillary can't BE silenced. It's just that she has no reason to attack Bernie. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #22

"And I've been nothing but respectful to Hillary. " Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #26

I made one comment about Kamala two years ago. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #69

LET HER SPEAK!! She's not attacking anyone. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #29

"November was ten months ago". Tell that to the DREAMers lunamagica Sep 2017 #57

I agree that an injustice is being done to the DREAMers. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #71

Because it sounds like you are telling people "get over it". You know what? They can't. Futire? they lunamagica Sep 2017 #80

I would never tell DREAMers to "get over it" Ken Burch Sep 2017 #82

Amen, luna mcar Sep 2017 #135

The book in question is a personal memoir. lapucelle Sep 2017 #104

We need unity and dialog to win. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #110

It seemed to me that the OP lapucelle Sep 2017 #117

I posted that because I'm scared that that passage will keep us divided and drive Sanders people off Ken Burch Sep 2017 #120

"How does what was said in that book lapucelle Sep 2017 #126

The implications are that blaming Bernie for the defeat when it wasn't his fault Ken Burch Sep 2017 #128

She doesn't blame him. lapucelle Sep 2017 #144

Yeah, Let's Talk About Nina Me. Sep 2017 #36

Except what she's saying isn't objectively true mythology Sep 2017 #88

"...reach out to each other in a positive way..." lapucelle Sep 2017 #97

He never conceded. And his "support" was lukewarn at best lunamagica Sep 2017 #52

Correct. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #81

A purity test, and enthusiasm meter. shanny Sep 2017 #165

Sanders should release his tax returns JI7 Sep 2017 #15

Man, do we need the primaries forum back more than ever before Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #17

I was arguing here that the primaries should NOT be brought back up. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #24

Your point is forward looking and I agree attacking Bernie serves no purpose other than to divide... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #155

LOL! How does ignoring reality "help at all?" NurseJackie Sep 2017 #18

Do you WANT us to win in '18 and '20? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #28

LET HER SPEAK!! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #30

She can't be STOPPED from speaking. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #38

So why keep trying to silence her? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #42

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #61

Democrats are unified. I chose my words carefully and deliberately. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #64

I'm active in my local DNC and a member lapucelle Sep 2017 #111

I know! That's what I'm seeing too. In the REAL WORLD... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #114

I believe I see where you are confused icymist Sep 2017 #95

Thank you! Thank you very much! (And some try to describe them as "the base"!!) NurseJackie Sep 2017 #130

Funny how Clinton is expected to toe the line in the name of unity, but others aren't. George II Sep 2017 #196

I'd hoped Warren would run, and that was me until I learned more about both of them. Hortensis Sep 2017 #20

Not at all Break time Sep 2017 #23

Are you denying Hillary's right to provide her perspective on What Happened to her seaglass Sep 2017 #27

That is EXACTLY what's happening here! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #31

Nobody's oppressing her. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #34

LET HER SPEAK!! (Now! Not "eight to twelve years from now".) NurseJackie Sep 2017 #40

Why do you keep saying "Let Her Speak!"?. She DID speak. I'm responding. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #46

I say "Let Her Speak" because someone keeps questioning whether it's "necessary" for her to speak. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #56

I can't deny Hillary the right to do anything, nor would I. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #32

Oh, please! Stop Slamming Hillary! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #37

She's not a victim, for Goddess' sake. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #41

Stop insulting Hillary. Please. (Show some respect. Let her speak.) NurseJackie Sep 2017 #43

It's not as though she can only say what she wants if no one responds. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #50

Show some respect, please. She deserves that much! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #59

I didn't stop her from saying anything or stop anyone from reading anything. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #66

Well... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #73

And she has already been heard. People have heard the excerpts and they will buy the book anyway. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #75

To my knowledge, the book hasn't been released yet... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #77

I stand corrected on the book release date. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #87

Changing the subject and deflecting. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #98

I mentioned the Green and JPR things because you've repeatedly implied Ken Burch Sep 2017 #101

No I haven't. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #106

I voted for Clinton but I'm neither a Clinton or Sanders' supporter underthematrix Sep 2017 #39

Ken, have you ever said that Bernie should take the high road? seaglass Sep 2017 #54

I have called on Bernie to take the high road. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #85

Yes... those voters are "idiots" exactly as you stated. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #113

OF COURSE Hillary has the right 2 express her views; no reasonable person cud possibly dispute that. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #157

I'm not convinced Team Clinton or presumed successors actually believe that Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #44

Thanks for that. You've made one of the most sensible posts in this thread. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #68

You got it exactly right... and the irony is Hillary blames Bernie for dividing Democrats. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #156

Yep GaryCnf Sep 2017 #79

And how does your OP help? does it help at all lunamagica Sep 2017 #45

It won't make the feelings arise...they are there...but why encourage them? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #65

That's SO disrespectful! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #86

Such a long and verbose reply, Ken. Yet not a word relating to the questions I asked you lunamagica Sep 2017 #92

My OP is about encouraging a positive path forward. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #99

I have a great idea. Why don't you send all your posts on the thread and send it lunamagica Sep 2017 #159

How do Bernie's constant attacks on the Democratic Party help unity and victory? nt Maven Sep 2017 #49

Well, that's "different". NurseJackie Sep 2017 #62

NurseJackie.... skylucy Sep 2017 #145

Thank you! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #151

Does she talk about Russians/election tampering in the book? leftstreet Sep 2017 #51

She damn sure talked about it during the campaign. But guess who was not listening? Guess who was haveahart Sep 2017 #84

respectfully clu Sep 2017 #171

Fyi haveahart Sep 2017 #175

A very rational thing to say.......and it took a lot of courage to say it on DU! LongTomH Sep 2017 #63

Yup Egnever Sep 2017 #74

Wonder if what helps is that we can learn from our mistakes? George II Sep 2017 #93

This bit isn't about her mistakes. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #125

Thank you. Yes we DO need all the voters, primary and otherwise, elleng Sep 2017 #105

I'll always vote for the DEM, I don't care if Hillary Clinton badmouths my Berniebro ass . m-lekktor Sep 2017 #119

I respect your attitude. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #132

You are right we need both sets of voters to win. LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #138

Yes, please get the message to Hillary. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #152

yup, we do. shanny Sep 2017 #160

Oh, the OHenry-esque irony of it all! NanceGreggs Sep 2017 #164

Damn! I've missed you. William769 Sep 2017 #168

Right back at ya!!! NanceGreggs Sep 2017 #169

100% that. oasis Sep 2017 #170

Many Democrats, Independents and some Republicans didn't ban1941 Sep 2017 #180

You didn't vote. You should be fucking embarrassed. N/t tammywammy Sep 2017 #183

+1 dalton99a Sep 2017 #186

Forget it, Ken. They want a ventfest. You won't talk them down off it. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #167

Right cilla4progress Sep 2017 #176

You're right, but too many will not want to hear it. TDale313 Sep 2017 #177

This is 100% accurate. WIProgressive88 Sep 2017 #179

I fully expect the Democrats to lose big in 2018 and for Trump to be reelected. alarimer Sep 2017 #187

Hillary is not interested in uniting the party, and neither are most of her supporters on this WIProgressive88 Sep 2017 #178

The sniping has got to stop! ban1941 Sep 2017 #182

I am really looking forward to reading this book Gothmog Sep 2017 #181

Vote for the democratic candidates in 2018 and 2020 liquid diamond Sep 2017 #185

I wasn't doing any blackmail Ken Burch Sep 2017 #188

LOL NurseJackie Sep 2017 #189

You do not own the term progressive. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #190

I don't think it should have been about exalting Bernie. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #191

I think a lot us us tuned into the Convention and saw delegates (presumably not fringe Bernie Bros) Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #194

Thank you! You're correct. It *IS* laughable. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #192

We will need everybody to defeat Pubbie voter suppression. MaeScott Sep 2017 #193

I agree we need both. The "We've got this" approach does not work. jalan48 Sep 2017 #195