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In reply to the discussion: We need ALL of us...we need the voters who backed BOTH primary candidates. [View all]NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)164. Oh, the OHenry-esque irony of it all!
How does what was said in that book do anything whatsoever to help us achieve unity and victory?
More to the point: How does Bernies continued whinging about the Democratic Party do anything whatsoever to achieve unity and victory?
The irony is BS supporters who claim that unity and victory was well-served by casting HRC as a not-to-be-trusted corporate whore in the pocket of Wall Street. And then there was the irony of championing Mr. Transparent who still hasnt coughed-up his tax returns despite promises to do so.
The irony is BS supporters who heard Bernie say he would appeal to super-delegates to overturn the will of the people by ignoring primary votes and putting their support behind him instead of the peoples obvious choice and thought THAT was acceptable.
The ULTIMATE IRONY is the fact that Bernie supporters railed against being told what to do by the DNC, HRC, DWS et al while completely accepting the idea that a self-proclaimed non-Democrat should be telling the Party that he refuses to be part of how it should be conducting itself.
Do as I say, not as I do is a phrase that Democrats have traditionally rejected when coming from hypocritical Republicans and yet many Bernie supporters are more than happy to accept a self-proclaimed non-Democrat telling them what to do within a party he refuses to be a member of, but nonetheless wants to dictate to.
Those who refused to vote for Hillary, who voted third party, who wrote-in Bernie on their GE ballots and encouraged others to do so are no different than those who voted for Trump. So lets stop this ludicrous pretence that they didnt contribute to the Idiot being elected. Every vote NOT for Hillary was one less vote Trump had to overcome in order to be where he is right now.
But dont take it from me. Take it from the yeah, I didnt vote for Hillary because I really wanted Bernie crowd. They got what they wanted HRC lost the election. And I am really not interested in having them on our side when theyve already made it clear whose side theyre really on.
More to the point: How does Bernies continued whinging about the Democratic Party do anything whatsoever to achieve unity and victory?
The irony is BS supporters who claim that unity and victory was well-served by casting HRC as a not-to-be-trusted corporate whore in the pocket of Wall Street. And then there was the irony of championing Mr. Transparent who still hasnt coughed-up his tax returns despite promises to do so.
The irony is BS supporters who heard Bernie say he would appeal to super-delegates to overturn the will of the people by ignoring primary votes and putting their support behind him instead of the peoples obvious choice and thought THAT was acceptable.
The ULTIMATE IRONY is the fact that Bernie supporters railed against being told what to do by the DNC, HRC, DWS et al while completely accepting the idea that a self-proclaimed non-Democrat should be telling the Party that he refuses to be part of how it should be conducting itself.
Do as I say, not as I do is a phrase that Democrats have traditionally rejected when coming from hypocritical Republicans and yet many Bernie supporters are more than happy to accept a self-proclaimed non-Democrat telling them what to do within a party he refuses to be a member of, but nonetheless wants to dictate to.
Those who refused to vote for Hillary, who voted third party, who wrote-in Bernie on their GE ballots and encouraged others to do so are no different than those who voted for Trump. So lets stop this ludicrous pretence that they didnt contribute to the Idiot being elected. Every vote NOT for Hillary was one less vote Trump had to overcome in order to be where he is right now.
But dont take it from me. Take it from the yeah, I didnt vote for Hillary because I really wanted Bernie crowd. They got what they wanted HRC lost the election. And I am really not interested in having them on our side when theyve already made it clear whose side theyre really on.
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We need ALL of us...we need the voters who backed BOTH primary candidates. [View all]
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
OP
The DEMOCRATIC grassroots preferred HRC and that's why she was the DEMOCRATIC nominee.
Expecting Rain
Sep 2017
#70
Yes we in DEMOCRATIC grassroots wanted change, like having a super-smart woman on the Oval Office
Expecting Rain
Sep 2017
#78
I campaigned for HRC in the fall as did the vast majority of Sanders supporters
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#91
You just can't resist the insults and slurs aimed at DEMOCRATS that are almost...
Expecting Rain
Sep 2017
#94
The answer to economic challenges will never be found in cheap theatrics...
Expecting Rain
Sep 2017
#133
Did you really say that Clinton was the "least progressive person we could have nominated"? Really?
George II
Sep 2017
#115
You didn't say "moderate" (what's wrong with that anyway?), you said "least progressive".
George II
Sep 2017
#146
"Significantly progressive" isn't "moderate". So, if you had five true progressives in a room....
George II
Sep 2017
#149
Uh...HRC is a liberal (and a great one). When one moves away from liberalism...
Expecting Rain
Sep 2017
#158
True, was a big Elizabeth supporter... then threw my support to Bernie when she didn't run...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#153
That. Thanks for emphasizing a voter's responsibility -- learn the issues and VOTE!
ATL Ebony
Sep 2017
#139
I know, it really is that simple vs finding issues to spotlight then use a bully pit to force
ATL Ebony
Sep 2017
#147
But you want to silence her. You don't want debate, you want everyone to take your position
lunamagica
Sep 2017
#47
No, that is the message. Hillary's book is her story and it is full of facts and honest perspective
haveahart
Sep 2017
#83
I'm not a former Democratic nominee. I wrote that years later, maybe decades later.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#12
It's simply math. We can't get those peoples' votes by forcing them to abandon all group identity
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#21
So why be coy about the fact that you are (once again) trashing Hillary Clinton?
Expecting Rain
Sep 2017
#72
I assume this is about Clinton's book where she said that Bernie's attacks probably hurt her.
Willie Pep
Sep 2017
#10
Hillary can't BE silenced. It's just that she has no reason to attack Bernie.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#22
Because it sounds like you are telling people "get over it". You know what? They can't. Futire? they
lunamagica
Sep 2017
#80
I posted that because I'm scared that that passage will keep us divided and drive Sanders people off
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#120
The implications are that blaming Bernie for the defeat when it wasn't his fault
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#128
Your point is forward looking and I agree attacking Bernie serves no purpose other than to divide...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#155
Thank you! Thank you very much! (And some try to describe them as "the base"!!)
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#130
Funny how Clinton is expected to toe the line in the name of unity, but others aren't.
George II
Sep 2017
#196
I'd hoped Warren would run, and that was me until I learned more about both of them.
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#20
Are you denying Hillary's right to provide her perspective on What Happened to her
seaglass
Sep 2017
#27
I say "Let Her Speak" because someone keeps questioning whether it's "necessary" for her to speak.
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#56
And she has already been heard. People have heard the excerpts and they will buy the book anyway.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#75
OF COURSE Hillary has the right 2 express her views; no reasonable person cud possibly dispute that.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#157
I'm not convinced Team Clinton or presumed successors actually believe that
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Sep 2017
#44
You got it exactly right... and the irony is Hillary blames Bernie for dividing Democrats.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#156
Such a long and verbose reply, Ken. Yet not a word relating to the questions I asked you
lunamagica
Sep 2017
#92
I have a great idea. Why don't you send all your posts on the thread and send it
lunamagica
Sep 2017
#159
How do Bernie's constant attacks on the Democratic Party help unity and victory? nt
Maven
Sep 2017
#49
She damn sure talked about it during the campaign. But guess who was not listening? Guess who was
haveahart
Sep 2017
#84
A very rational thing to say.......and it took a lot of courage to say it on DU!
LongTomH
Sep 2017
#63
I'll always vote for the DEM, I don't care if Hillary Clinton badmouths my Berniebro ass .
m-lekktor
Sep 2017
#119
I fully expect the Democrats to lose big in 2018 and for Trump to be reelected.
alarimer
Sep 2017
#187
Hillary is not interested in uniting the party, and neither are most of her supporters on this
WIProgressive88
Sep 2017
#178
I think a lot us us tuned into the Convention and saw delegates (presumably not fringe Bernie Bros)
Expecting Rain
Sep 2017
#194