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mcar

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79. I have been pleasantly surprised at CNN's reporting on this

Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:03 AM

Sep 2017

Another good snip

And so it's only fair to take a look at his previous efforts, and learn some lessons. Clinton is right: Sanders' attacks on her character fed the same narrative as Trump's. They hurt her in the general election. And she's right that running on the Democratic ticket when you're not a Democrat isn't just hypocritical, it can be incredibly damaging. For one thing, it gives a candidate a platform to trash the very party he says he wants to lead.

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Hillary Clinton is right about Bernie Sanders [View all] William769 Sep 2017 OP

Third party voters and the third way are not the same thing. applegrove Sep 2017 #1

To me they are. nt William769 Sep 2017 #3

I'm trying to help. The third way was democratics attempt to put forth applegrove Sep 2017 #6

I understand that. William769 Sep 2017 #7

Hillary was an advocate of the third way back when it was a thing. applegrove Sep 2017 #8

Exactly. This is exactly why I opposed her in the primary. AllyCat Sep 2017 #17

Yup. zentrum Sep 2017 #20

Well stated. chwaliszewski Sep 2017 #29

I approve of Susan Collins but am not voting for her. delisen Sep 2017 #51

I'd bet that more than 80% of Americans approve of Taylor Swift but wouldn't vote for her for Pres. George II Sep 2017 #91

The point is zentrum Sep 2017 #97

Get real. If your first sentence was true he wouldn't have gotten beaten by Clinton by 4m votes. brush Sep 2017 #128

You have got a point. delisen Sep 2017 #114

Are the other 20% Katy Perry fans? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #135

She doesn't need "splaining to" by Bernie supporters. wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #78

If Sanders had 80% approval then why didn't it translate to votes? LiberalFighter Sep 2017 #117

Union members voted Reagan. Do you oppose unions? delisen Sep 2017 #53

My dad was a union organizer. zentrum Sep 2017 #95

Clinton was not particularly pro-union or pro-worker until she needed to be AllyCat Sep 2017 #102

I, as a worker and union member have found delisen Sep 2017 #106

That is in the past today ...third way voters mean the Steins and other third party voters...and Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #58

I Don't like third party candidates either. applegrove Sep 2017 #111

Right on! AllyCat Sep 2017 #14

You may get attacked. But I agree with you +1000. nt jrthin Sep 2017 #2

Wouldn't be the first time. William769 Sep 2017 #4

unique content definitely warrants it's own thread clu Sep 2017 #5

You Don't Have To Shut Up Me. Sep 2017 #9

Yes! sheshe2 Sep 2017 #10

Thanks & sorry for responding so late. William769 Sep 2017 #123

Love you. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #124

Love you too. William769 Sep 2017 #125

Excellent points, right on the mark. Thank you sir. (and great to see you!!) George II Sep 2017 #11

The problem with blaming Bernie for even running is that HRC is really blaming the voters... aikoaiko Sep 2017 #12

In all sincerity, I wish you good luck in getting that point across. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #23

Exactly! chwaliszewski Sep 2017 #30

There is no problem with their participating here BainsBane Sep 2017 #45

Unfortunately, we're back to refighting the primaries. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #62

+1,000. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #73

We all own what we did. I supported Hillary and have no reason to look in the mirror. wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #81

And that is the thing KTM Sep 2017 #83

Sanders-primary-then-Clinton-general voters are not being blamed brush Sep 2017 #130

Boy, could I win money off of you. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #131

Come on. You know very well that the great majority of DUers and Dems don't go after... brush Sep 2017 #132

Good thing she isn't blaming him for running. BainsBane Sep 2017 #42

Actually she is. When you read the text she says it was wrong for him to run as a Democrat. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #60

I agree with her JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #65

I would expect no less from you. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #66

Thank you! JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #108

Nice to be remembered, eh? George II Sep 2017 #136

It was. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #71

I don't think so at all given his goal of improving the Democratic party. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #74

"given his goal of improving the Democratic party"? You are kidding right? Since when did we... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #112

The sad part is, you'd think she'd be more clued in on the process. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #99

I did not see that in the text. Can you post delisen Sep 2017 #107

I'm just thinking off the top of y head, here all american girl Sep 2017 #133

I don't think you can lay all of that at Bernie's feet, but I know many HRC primary supporters do. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #134

Unqualified, rigged, crooked, pouting during the convention all american girl Sep 2017 #137

I completely agree. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #139

I don't see "blaming." Clinton is stating her opinion delisen Sep 2017 #52

She can state her opinions all day long, but they have implications to the listeners aikoaiko Sep 2017 #59

Inference rather than implication. Observation rather than blame. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #67

Well, I have read some of the excerpts and she's presenting more than observation. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #72

Thanks for post, William. murielm99 Sep 2017 #13

K&R Jamaal510 Sep 2017 #15

Our voices. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #16

this circular firing squad elmac Sep 2017 #18

I think they are OK with that as long as there are scapegoats to blame. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #25

Yeah tell bobbers that. boston bean Sep 2017 #37

I don't know who bobbers is, but he or she is welcome to read my post. nt Gore1FL Sep 2017 #55

You know the bernie or busters. It's a group of people who refused boston bean Sep 2017 #56

I wonder how many felt that way because Hillary supporters told them to leave. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #100

Yours is a most creative allegation lacking any evidenced to support it. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #68

2016 is pretty good evidence. nt Gore1FL Sep 2017 #101

K & R SunSeeker Sep 2017 #19

Why even ferment this division? Worn out H vs B shit....again RiverStone Sep 2017 #21

I suppose we should sit idly by while groups like Our Revolution,Move On and others on the far left Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #63

Stop it already Catch2.2 Sep 2017 #22

You have no idea how we feel and to tell us off wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #32

The Kremlin says the DNC rigged the primary BainsBane Sep 2017 #50

LOL NurseJackie Sep 2017 #61

Some people just can't handle the truth. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #70

Was Bernie right about Ms. Clinton? FairWinds Sep 2017 #24

+1 nt Gore1FL Sep 2017 #26

+1 chwaliszewski Sep 2017 #33

When is Bernie going to acknowledge his mistakes? BainsBane Sep 2017 #34

Exactly. LisaM Sep 2017 #39

What Hillary really should do is tell progressives to fuck off leftofcool Sep 2017 #47

Well actually, you folks on DU do that on a daily basis . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #122

Yes. "What have you done for me lately?" is my R B Garr Sep 2017 #48

She must blame herself to their satisfaction mcar Sep 2017 #82

Bernie didn't lose to Donald effing Trump. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #119

"You really blew it, dumbasses. Bravo!" lapucelle Sep 2017 #54

Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #120

The OP reads like the CNN piece that it cited. lapucelle Sep 2017 #121

+100000 BainsBane Sep 2017 #27

Thank you for the bold commentary on third way voters melman Sep 2017 #28

Be sure to tell them BainsBane Sep 2017 #35

I agree with you now as I did in the primary wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #31

Even after the GE BainsBane Sep 2017 #36

+++Agree that Hillary is spot on about Bernie...he's no democrat. He ran on our ticket for exposure iluvtennis Sep 2017 #38

Good to know I've spent nearly 5 months a la izquierda Sep 2017 #40

it seems to me clu Sep 2017 #41

Agreed. Nt a la izquierda Sep 2017 #44

Clinton's attack on Bernie is backfiring in my circles Arazi Sep 2017 #64

Yet Bernie's attacks on the party backfired in the most spectacular way. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #75

Are there any Dems who won't support Dems because of Bernie? Arazi Sep 2017 #90

Thank you! a la izquierda Sep 2017 #88

Not in mine. In fact those who adored Sen. Sanders are not please with the criticism of the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #138

Hey.you! riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #94

Thanks. It's been a fun time. a la izquierda Sep 2017 #98

K&R. Great post. I hope you post more often lunamagica Sep 2017 #43

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #46

Agreed, William, and good to see you posting. R B Garr Sep 2017 #49

Third way voters are to blame for Katrina deaths and United... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #57

I dont think you understand what Third Way is.... KTM Sep 2017 #77

I know what the third way is Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #92

Thats simply not true. KTM Sep 2017 #96

Good to see you here! greatauntoftriplets Sep 2017 #69

Good to see you here, William! mcar Sep 2017 #76

I have been pleasantly surprised at CNN's reporting on this mcar Sep 2017 #79

K&R Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #80

The Thing About These Snippits PoorMonger Sep 2017 #84

Meanwhile Sanders is out still trying to torch Democrats. Historic NY Sep 2017 #85

I think Hillary made a mistake, by taking for granted, that... kentuck Sep 2017 #86

Isn't this re-fighting the primaries? al bupp Sep 2017 #87

It is great to see Bill posting again Gothmog Sep 2017 #89

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Al Gore is/was a great Democrat. Very progressive for his time, but R B Garr Sep 2017 #105

Awkwardly a higher percentage of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton mythology Sep 2017 #104

I suspect that the PUMAs will be swept away, along with other inconvenient facts, QC Sep 2017 #113

Exactly. DeltaLitProf Sep 2017 #127

I remember the PUMAS, I was a Hillary supporter then. Autumn Sep 2017 #141

She is totally right about Sanders. This quote gets to the essence of it: R B Garr Sep 2017 #109

I am feeling some despair about our changing political environment fallrey Sep 2017 #110

Great post. Yes we need strong Democratic Party supported by Democrats and the left leaning Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #140

So fucking what? There's nothing we can do about that. Iggo Sep 2017 #115

Wonderful to see you posting again, William. brer cat Sep 2017 #116

K&R JHan Sep 2017 #118

He may have played a part . . . DeltaLitProf Sep 2017 #126

Agreed TEB Sep 2017 #129