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43. I don't do grudges either Jackie. A person getting 1% of the vote is irelevent, YMMV.

Wed Sep 6, 2017, 11:20 AM

Sep 2017

There are always third party candidates in our elections. In every one of our 58 presidential

elections since 1788, third party or independent candidates have won at the very least 5.0% of the vote and garnered electoral votes 12 times (21%).

Jill Stein ran in 2012. Obama still won, with many of the same voters who voted for Trump in 2016. Want to know what happend there? Obama worked on getting those votes.

There were 22 Presidential candiates on my ballot this last election and will be close to the same amount in 2020. Third party candidates are nothing new.

It's not a defense, it's a fact of life. You don't like it, work on getting rid of those third party candidates or work on getting the third party vote, like those Stein voters. Your choice.

In 2020 there will be third party candidates running again.

That all I have to say to you. Have a wonderful day.

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You Need To Stop [View all] berni_mccoy Sep 2017 OP

So the other 10% get a free pass? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #1

As I said, they were likely never Democrats berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #2

So why all the concern for them? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #6

I think you need to re-read my OP. There is no defense or sympathy for them. berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #8

Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #10

What's the motivation for people that flood the board with negativity melman Sep 2017 #23

Me thinks they are now trolling... Chakaconcarne Sep 2017 #42

sadly G_j Sep 2017 #51

The OP did not 'defend' or 'aid' or 'sympathize' with Stein voters leftstreet Sep 2017 #24

Then why should anyone stop calling-out the non-and-Stein voters? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #30

Is Hillary running again? leftstreet Sep 2017 #33

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Please clarify. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #37

Because it's a waste of time and energy. progressoid Sep 2017 #45

The "Stein housefly" helped get Trump elected. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #83

But for just about every demographic that didn't vote for Hillary Sucha NastyWoman Sep 2017 #91

No, those other "demographiics" never claimed to be progressive. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #98

Then we should be bashing Union Members too. 42% of them voted for trump. progressoid Sep 2017 #101

None of those thought they were voting for a progressive. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #105

So they get a pass? progressoid Sep 2017 #117

Bashing Dems and the DNC isn't going to bring them into the fold. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #121

I'm not actually advocating "bashing" them. progressoid Sep 2017 #127

Retreat NJ JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #108

Because maybe, just maybe Heartstrings Sep 2017 #119

Stein-voters are a waste of time. Fuck 'em! Better use of time would be... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #125

I disagree Heartstrings Sep 2017 #131

It's short-sighted to invest so heavily in kooky and unreliable Stein voters. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #134

You can't constantly tell people to fuck-off and then act shocked when they do. nt Gore1FL Sep 2017 #153

Nobody is doing that. But what I *can* do... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #154

Do you blame Stein voters for Clinton's loss? Gore1FL Sep 2017 #155

Effort better spent elsewhere. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #158

How many registered Democrats chose to sit out the election in 2016 Jackie? Autumn Sep 2017 #132

See above. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #136

Give it a rest BrooklynTech Sep 2017 #202

Or what? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #208

Why do it on DU is the point LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #209

Well... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #211

I hear you, but it's kind of a waste of life force. Speaking for myself, I'm active as I can be PatrickforO Sep 2017 #224

I endorse this. alarimer Sep 2017 #242

Hmmm Break time Sep 2017 #40

She doesn't need a point Sucha NastyWoman Sep 2017 #92

This is a touch attack-y! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #150

I guess Break time Sep 2017 #223

Your questions are very revealing RandomAccess Sep 2017 #116

Yes, they are doing that. By hitting individuals here w/ vengeful trolling-for-uniformity attack. ancianita Sep 2017 #189

The accusation is false. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #192

Because any Democrat needs some independents to win. alarimer Sep 2017 #240

There are always third party candidates in our elections. In every one of our 58 presidentil Autumn Sep 2017 #11

There you go.. being all reasonable and sane. mountain grammy Sep 2017 #12

I guess I'm too old, I remeber when the Independent voters were desired by the Democratic party. Autumn Sep 2017 #15

Yup. Time to get out and get those votes nt riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #19

and somehow motivate those who couldn't be bothered. Ligyron Sep 2017 #104

I know, right? mountain grammy Sep 2017 #103

The lumping together of Indy Bernie supporters with Stein supporters is irritating tho Arazi Sep 2017 #13

Stein got roughly 1% of the people who voted. She was irelevent. Autumn Sep 2017 #17

I'm sick of the angry energy wasted on her. Wish these folks would get to work on the future riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #21

Trump is already campaigning for 2020 but Jill Stein and Bernie still breathe so.... Autumn Sep 2017 #39

For real! FFS... nt riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #96

LOL! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #32

LOL! Autumn Sep 2017 #54

I can do that too! Cutting and pasting is fun! Quick and easy! LOL! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #57

Maybe we should focus on the Democrats who stayed home this last election? Autumn Sep 2017 #63

We should focus on outside interference and voter suppression. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #67

Do you know how many registered Democratic voters chose not to vote in 2016 Jackie? Autumn Sep 2017 #69

LOL! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #71

Do you know how many registered Democratic voters stayed home in 2016? Autumn Sep 2017 #74

I agreed. Dems always work hard to get out the vote but until we recognize that repugs work just... brush Sep 2017 #80

It is a fact NJCher Sep 2017 #76

I only wish -- RandomAccess Sep 2017 #128

Umm, not quite mcar Sep 2017 #106

But focusing exclusively on the "1%" helps to minimize how toxic Stein was/is... right? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #129

Yep mcar Sep 2017 #163

I will ask you. How many registered Democrats sat out the election in 2016? Autumn Sep 2017 #148

I was responding to your claim that Stein's votes were irelevant mcar Sep 2017 #166

Steins campaign is as relevent as every other third party campaign has been in the past. Autumn Sep 2017 #173

LOL! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #16

Call it defense if you want. I call it the facts. Stein got 1% of the vote, Autumn Sep 2017 #18

Non-and-Stein voters can go fuck themselves. No seat at the table... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #25

Irelevent. Stein got 1% of the vote and Hillary won the election by over three million votes. Autumn Sep 2017 #31

LOL! She wasn't irrelevant. You're ignoring facts. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #36

I don't do grudges either Jackie. A person getting 1% of the vote is irelevent, YMMV. Autumn Sep 2017 #43

Okay. Sure. Whatever. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #56

Good luck with your future endevors and make sure EVERY SINGLE Democratic voter get out and votes Autumn Sep 2017 #61

I knew you couldn't resist replying to me! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #64

I'm retired. I have all day and as I explained to you, I changed my mind on tallking to you Autumn Sep 2017 #70

LOL! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #73

Yeah I get it, that's the same cut and paste response from post# 71 Autumn Sep 2017 #79

See above. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #81

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This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Sep 2017 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Sep 2017 #100

I forget when it was done, I think it was shortly after the convention, but three of us.... George II Sep 2017 #141

Sheshe and I deleted our conversation. OT but how is Jon Svitavsky's campaign going? Autumn Sep 2017 #157

I don't know and I don't care. Funny, someone else asked me about him... George II Sep 2017 #162

You responed to me but she I deleted our conversation and I had read that you were planning on Autumn Sep 2017 #169

From two months ago and a thread in which you weren't even participating? George II Sep 2017 #171

Yes, that thread, I don't have to post in it to remember it. DU has a serch engine. Autumn Sep 2017 #172

Hmm, scary that you remember what I said 2 months ago and searched for it. George II Sep 2017 #176

Well George, you responded to me so I responded back with a safe topic because I see no reason to Autumn Sep 2017 #180

Since his campaign to become Senator of Vermont imploded.. CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #246

It's imploded? Damn. Not enough boots on the ground? Autumn Sep 2017 #247

More like "boots IN the ground" CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #249

Homophobe and antisemitic weirdos are everywhere aren't they? And not just in the White House. Autumn Sep 2017 #251

That's very true & also very sad CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #252

I can't help but recall the fondness for Stein in this forum AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #28

That cracked me up, that and the fondness for Comey after what he did. Autumn Sep 2017 #34

Trump won Michigan by 10,000 votes, Stein got 50,000 votes. Irrelevant? And that's only Michigan. George II Sep 2017 #222

It's really sad that so many Dems sat out the election Gerorge, that was another Autumn Sep 2017 #250

Those who sat out were one thing, 50K voting for Stein was another. George II Sep 2017 #257

Well George, what do you think should be done about 3rd party candidates? Autumn Sep 2017 #258

I was using Michigan as an example - those 50K votes weren't nationally, they were... George II Sep 2017 #259

Why do you think she lost those 50K votes in Michigan? Voter supression? It still goes back to Autumn Sep 2017 #260

Rocky Horror melman Sep 2017 #27

+1 leftstreet Sep 2017 #35

THIS progressoid Sep 2017 #48

Those of us who had worked on the ground in 2000 lapucelle Sep 2017 #111

Who gives a shit? We need to focus on the future, not the past. WoonTars Sep 2017 #88

Ignore the past and you repeat it. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #90

I'm not suggesting we ignore it, but we need to move forward. WoonTars Sep 2017 #97

Many will be happy to move forward, just as soon as... Beartracks Sep 2017 #227

Quit devoting your energy to them! We cannot entice those nuts away AllyCat Sep 2017 #89

You are correct. Sadly, there are too many here who welcome "those nuts" ... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #114

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhh HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #107

It's not about being "sympathetic", it's about what works and what doesn't work. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #179

I want nothing to do with Stein-voters. Fuck-em! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #185

If that's the case, there's no reason to MENTION the Stein voters then. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #190

Flawed logic. (LOL) NurseJackie Sep 2017 #196

You just said we can't ever get their votes...by that logic, why care about them? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #210

Well... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #218

I have never disrespected you at all. Not once. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #226

Good point! summer_in_TX Sep 2017 #233

The other piece of this is we are doing it here too. summer_in_TX Sep 2017 #234

Just give it up! Seriously you are really fucking with our party by doing this! Maraya1969 Sep 2017 #215

How so? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #220

Lots of Democrats vote for Republicans in every damn election. alarimer Sep 2017 #239

I have no idea what you're talking about. Nobody is ... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #243

Thank you get the red out Sep 2017 #3

That 10% was more than enough to swing an election. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #4

That 10% was likely never going to vote for any other Democratic candidate. berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #5

"Latest explaination" not helping your case here, LOL. Not one bit. bettyellen Sep 2017 #44

A good part of that 10% were not even Democrats. Autumn Sep 2017 #47

Ah yes Russian Interference "secret plot" by "deep state" and "sore loser Democrats" emulatorloo Sep 2017 #72

The "latest explanation"? Maven Sep 2017 #203

K&R nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #7

K & R. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #9

What'r they called? Blips or blurbs or bites or somesuch? sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #156

Some children here want to continue their tantrums. longship Sep 2017 #14

I can't believe that we are still gullible enough snort Sep 2017 #20

+1000. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #109

"NO one gets a blank check" What blank check? Who? Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #142

Oops! Dear OP berni_m! your services are required here too! Feel something divisive in this post! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #146

What it means is that we don't have coronations in this country. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #159

What coronation are you speaking about? Who are u turning into d enemy? You big uniter you! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #165

Whatevs. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #170

You are the one who brought up coronations and blank checks! WT heck was that about? Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #174

"the rabid must love Hillary as much as I do crowd" Woah! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #140

Dear OP Berni-McCoy hurry! Here! Divisive stuff going on here in your own thread!! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #145

Right there with ya.. disillusioned73 Sep 2017 #236

DURec leftstreet Sep 2017 #22

Stirring the Ole Shit Pot.... Cryptoad Sep 2017 #26

thank you Joe941 Sep 2017 #29

Indeed, this is SO tiresome! Please stop this petty bullshit, people! slumcamper Sep 2017 #38

Its not a question of "turning Sanders into the enemy", procon Sep 2017 #41

If a $15 wage 'dilutes' the party brand, the party is fucked leftstreet Sep 2017 #55

Don't cherry pick, it weakens your argument. procon Sep 2017 #65

What if he had won? leftstreet Sep 2017 #66

Its a moot point since he couldn't even win the primary, yeah? procon Sep 2017 #84

Diluted. Seems reasonable. But it's all over now. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #161

Last time I checked, voting was a right moonseller66 Sep 2017 #46

Then you checked the wrong place. There is no right to vote in the US. stevenleser Sep 2017 #198

Hope you got some words when people bash DEMS & DEM figures & our DEM party b/c all that is divisive Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #49

DIVISIVE! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #52

but suggesting a primary is actually a discussion about policy and direction. How it is presented JCanete Sep 2017 #160

ditto barbtries Sep 2017 #50

It's like some people wake up and think ...I'm going to start a Hillary vs Bernie thread today. C Moon Sep 2017 #53

K+R Saviolo Sep 2017 #58

You have placed forward a one way thought process. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #59

Well said. zentrum Sep 2017 #60

Move on from what exactly? Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #87

Move on zentrum Sep 2017 #120

Move on...from talking about Hillary? Why? I can speak about HRC, Trump/Russia & DACA, etc Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #135

Go for it. zentrum Sep 2017 #183

Our house supported Hillary in the primary sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #164

You did what... zentrum Sep 2017 #186

Thank you for your understanding. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #232

Oh, come on! MelissaB Sep 2017 #62

You need to stop being so defensive over Bernie or Busters. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #68

I have blocked out all of the pertinent subject line names and words. lpbk2713 Sep 2017 #75

I agree 100% TalenaGor Sep 2017 #77

It's almost like it's by design??? hmmmmm???? n/t Fix The Stupid Sep 2017 #78

Thank you. backscatter712 Sep 2017 #82

How is turning on sanders supporters liquid diamond Sep 2017 #85

Well it is a strawman argument. Nobody is turning on Sanders supporters by discussing what emulatorloo Sep 2017 #95

It's about the fingerprinting that's going on around here berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #99

You mistake a handful of loud posters for a majority of DU'ers emulatorloo Sep 2017 #115

No one is making a straw man argument berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #122

Sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you are not Susan Sarandon. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #126

Well there goes respect out the door. Thanks for that. berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #130

Geez whiz! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #139

yup Skittles Sep 2017 #207

? emulatorloo Sep 2017 #143

Bookmarking! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #138

Great breakdown. liquid diamond Sep 2017 #149

People vote IronLionZion Sep 2017 #94

you seem very concerned .. stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #102

I'll never forget/forgive that he never was and still is not a DEMOCRAT! The Nerve he had ecchh Rene Sep 2017 #110

Get over it. Bernie is on our side. SalviaBlue Sep 2017 #118

Oh geesh...let it go... Heartstrings Sep 2017 #123

Agreed - stop fighting before it's too late --Was at the U.S. Holocaust Museum people Sep 2017 #112

I totally agree, bernie mccoy. Thank you for posting this! SalviaBlue Sep 2017 #113

K & R! Sometimes there seems to be more venom directed at Bernie than Trump Mountain Mule Sep 2017 #124

STOP!...in the name of love. Think it o-over. Honeycombe8 Sep 2017 #133

... emulatorloo Sep 2017 #144

I wish I could rec this a thousand times. Hun Joro Sep 2017 #137

Tell the Sanders folks to quit fucking with me, then Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #147

They were known as "commissars" back nilesobek Sep 2017 #151

This makes us dumber than Trump CanonRay Sep 2017 #152

Is this done here? sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #167

Agreed Lotusflower70 Sep 2017 #168

You're right...it's either stop this or give up on any chance of winning any future elections. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #175

LOL. When people post divisive comments about the Democratic Party on a regular basis... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #178

It's about the votes we need. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #182

I would do that under two circumstances stevenleser Sep 2017 #177

Do you WANT us to win in '18 and '20? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #184

Yes, and getting after those who make terrible mistakes is one of the ways to do that. stevenleser Sep 2017 #197

It's been proved time and time again not to work Ken Burch Sep 2017 #206

No such proof has happened. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #253

1980 was proof. 1984 was proof. 1988 was proof. 2000 and 2004 were proof. 2016 was proof. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #255

That's not remotely in the same realm as proof. It's not even an attempt at a proof. stevenleser Sep 2017 #261

The events are related by a common strategy: Ken Burch Sep 2017 #262

You provide no proof of that, nor do you make any attempt at proving causation. stevenleser Sep 2017 #263

If we pursue shaming those who voted for Trump instead of working on what needs to be done berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #201

That is your opinion. My opinion is, unless we take people to task for committing an act that hurts stevenleser Sep 2017 #254

Your last sentence here is funny but I concur with your opinion! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #256

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Sep 2017 #181

Could be that YOU need to stop identifying with that other "10%"... Thor_MN Sep 2017 #187

This. Perfect. (Thank you.) NurseJackie Sep 2017 #188

Where in the OP does it say anything about identifying with the "10%"? melman Sep 2017 #199

Then why be concerned what people are saying about the "10%" Thor_MN Sep 2017 #225

Yep! K & R RiverStone Sep 2017 #191

Y'all needed to stop months ago BainsBane Sep 2017 #193

I am so sick and tired of this denvine Sep 2017 #194

What matters is the future, not the past. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #204

Like ananda Sep 2017 #195

Roughly the same complaint as they had about Sanders zipplewrath Sep 2017 #200

lol@ "turning on Sanders supporters" JHan Sep 2017 #205

Dear Jhan! Argh those words make my teeth hurt. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #214

We need to stop calling our different points of view "infighting." That gives the media and GOP haveahart Sep 2017 #212

Bernie Sander's group our revolution is primarying sitting Democrats and their spokeperson Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #213

IMO the primary race showcased the Democratic platform Marthe48 Sep 2017 #216

MSM dropped the ball. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #217

yes, they did Marthe48 Sep 2017 #219

If there had been no primary perhaps there would be no Trump presidency...ever consider Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #241

We always have to keep in mind Marthe48 Sep 2017 #244

Republican divide and conquer strategy is only effective Alwaysna Sep 2017 #221

I think you should have said this. Eko Sep 2017 #228

As a Bernie Supporter... Catch2.2 Sep 2017 #229

Clinton and Sanders BOTH lost Nevernose Sep 2017 #230

Thank you for this GrapesOfWrath Sep 2017 #231

Everybody needs a villain to blame. Hitler had the Jews, Trump, the immigrants, Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #235

For some people here at DU... chwaliszewski Sep 2017 #237

Not turning on anyone DownriverDem Sep 2017 #238

You can look above and know why they thought the world was flat for so long nolabels Sep 2017 #245

Wow! This OP's recs ballooned overnight. From 121 yesterday to 240+ this morning. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #248