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DonViejo

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Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:50 PM Sep 2017

Yes, Antifa Is Very Dangerous -- But Not To Fascists - by Gene Lyons [View all]

Full article posted with the permission of the author - Don

September 5, 2017 10:38 pm

Call me unromantic, but I disliked a lot about the fabled “Sixties” the first time around. Some of the music was good, but otherwise 1968 was among the worst years in American life. The center nearly failed to hold.

As if the Vietnam War were not bad enough, the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert F. Kennedy made it feel as if America’s democratic institutions might not survive. Eager for “revolution,” hothouse warriors in the SDS and Weather Underground did everything possible to promote anarchy—from rioting to setting off bombs. During the 1968 Democratic National Convention, pitched battles between street fighters and Chicago police brought chaos and a massive voter backlash.

The most immediate result, brilliantly chronicled in historian Rick Perlstein’s book “Nixonland,” was the criminal presidency of Richard M. Nixon.

So I found it heartening to see Perlstein take to Facebook to scold the latter-day anarchists of “Antifa.” There was nothing subtle or scholarly about it.

“Stop destroying the left, you infantile [bleeps],” Perlstein wrote.

Can I get an amen?

In a subsequent post, the historian quoted an eyewitness account of Antifa goons assaulting KKK-style marchers at a “white-power” demonstration in Berkeley, CA, of all places.

““Yesterday, at the anti-Alt-Right rally in Berkeley,” Leighton Woodhouse wrote, ‘I watched groups of masked Antifa members in Black Bloc formation swarm individuals who were apparently antagonizing them, and pummel them with their fists, feet, and flagpoles. When the victims tried to escape, they were run down, and in at least one case, cut off by the Antifa mob and beaten down some more.”

A similarly vivid account of Antifa bullying by photojournalist Mike Kessler appeared in The New Republic. The irony was that until the masked, black-clad social justice warriors appeared, the Berkeley crowd had decisively outnumbered, ridiculed and shamed “alt-right” marchers as the pathetic goobers that they are.

Much as thousands of peaceful citizens on Boston Common had so outnumbered white supremacists a week earlier that they took off their little bedsheets and went home without even trying to harangue the crowd.

That’s all that ever needs to happen.

But I don’t even need to turn on Fox News to know that Sean Hannity and the rest of the merry band of Trump apologists on right-wing media are playing up Antifa as the moral equivalent of Bolshevik revolutionaries.

Well-meaning journalists such as the Washington Post’s Margaret Sullivan and Atlantic Monthly’s Peter Beinart are certainly correct to argue that there’s no real comparison between left- and right-wing political violence in the United States. The “alt-left” Trump described scarcely exists, and had almost no role in the Charlottesville tragedy.

Beinart cites Anti-Defamation League statistics showing that 74 percent of politically-motivated murders in the US since 2007 were committed by right wing extremists; versus 2 percent by leftists.

The news media’s tendency to soft-pedal the far-right motives of killers from Timothy McVeigh to Dylan Roof has long been an instance of willful blindness.

Journalists on the left correctly fear that won’t be the case with Antifa.

Also on Facebook, Lindsay Beyerstein explains that she’s covered many protests halfway sabotaged by Antifa antics: “I always thought of them as self-indulgent parasites because they’d show up at demonstrations organized by other people and capture the news cycle with petty property destruction.”

But when masked intruders quit breaking windows and start carrying weapons, things can change fast. “Paramilitaries facing off in the streets is God’s gift to fascism,” Beyerstein adds. “Not everyone likes racism and militarism, but everyone likes safety and order. If we’ve already got safety and order, fascists have nothing to offer casual supporters.”

But she predicts that if real “violence comes the backlash is going to come down as hard against the entire left as it did against the alt right after Charlottesville.”

That’s certainly what happened during the Sixties.

My late father taught me an oft-repeated expression I always took as the essence of Americanism. “You’re no better than anybody else,” he’d growl “and NOBODY’S BETTER THAN YOU.” There was more than a little Irish nationalism in what he said, but he definitely meant it. So do I.

Most Americans do too. Even under Donald Trump, the great majority remains deeply attached to the fundamental premises of democratic citizenship. They want to believe that we’re all in it together—America, that is—and they react against anybody threatening that belief.

So that when Alabama segregationists attacked peaceful civil rights demonstrators with clubs, tear gas and dogs, the majority sympathized with the victims—and brought about the end of Jim Crow. But after rioting tore Chicago apart in 1968, they went the other way. Hard.

Nobody needs the help of Antifa militants and the idiot professors making excuses for them to reject the KKK.

But let them start real trouble, and we’ll all end up wishing we’d never heard of them.

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http://www.nationalmemo.com/antifa-dangerous-fascists/
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If you use violence in some "leftist" cause, you might as well as join the KKK... Thomas Hurt Sep 2017 #1
Absolutely! get the red out Sep 2017 #2
He wants us to get beaten and killed so we'll get sympathy leftstreet Sep 2017 #3
Gene Lyons??? OKNancy Sep 2017 #4
Well, Nixon has been described as the last liberal President leftstreet Sep 2017 #5
That is a mistake made with the clouds of time. He was an evil son-of-a-bitch OKNancy Sep 2017 #7
I don't think Obama was mistaken leftstreet Sep 2017 #8
You are comparing Barack Obama to Richard Nixon on a forum designed to support Democrats? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #9
LOL oh knock it off! leftstreet Sep 2017 #11
He was depriving Bill O'Reilly of talking points on FOX "News" Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #12
I don't care leftstreet Sep 2017 #13
You forced an out-of-context incident into a thread where it was irrelevant... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #16
Alert if it's a violation of TOS leftstreet Sep 2017 #19
I don't want to talk about Bill O'Reilly either... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #21
I think Obama said it for political reasons and he said "in some ways" OKNancy Sep 2017 #15
Exactly. In just the same way Bernie Sanders could have punked O'Reilly... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #22
Big business brought us Nixon.. mountain grammy Sep 2017 #34
For the sake of optics we should just take the ass whooping, right? Jake Stern Sep 2017 #6
*barf* "Idiot professors" Please spare me. Coventina Sep 2017 #10
Agree with Coventina n/t Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #14
Do some research on "this guy." Both he and his wife are retired Professors. DonViejo Sep 2017 #18
But not with violence Not Ruth Sep 2017 #28
Gandhi got assassinated, as did Martin Luther King and the Kennedys. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #32
Gandhi did just fine because the Germans Downtown Hound Sep 2017 #56
Truth x 1000. Efilroft Sul Sep 2017 #58
stand in the back, then. maxsolomon Sep 2017 #17
Nice ivory tower this guy has. Lucky him. politicat Sep 2017 #20
WASPy name? Then he must be a counter-revolutionary! Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #23
Six legs excellent! Eight legs get the planet! politicat Sep 2017 #24
So now we add people with WASPy names to the list of the privileged along with... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #25
74 means that he has lived through Nazi Germany Not Ruth Sep 2017 #29
The right is spreading false narratives about the left. Initech Sep 2017 #26
Thank God others have noted the privilege this guy has....... socialist_n_TN Sep 2017 #27
What percentage of voters would you consider to be fascist? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #31
The 62 million who thought it would be the bees knees to put one in charge of our country. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #33
Almost half.....would you consider most cops and military to be fascists? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #36
The cops for the most part IMO are fascists........ socialist_n_TN Sep 2017 #41
Thanks for all the replies, are there any organizations other than Antifa that are anti fascist? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #43
EVERYBODY is anti-fascist in words.......... socialist_n_TN Sep 2017 #45
I would say the DNC is sometimes an anti-fascist group Downtown Hound Sep 2017 #55
How do you tell the difference between a fascist and and authoritarian? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #49
Yooooouuuuu rreally don't want me to toss paint on those sacred cows . . . HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Not Ruth Sep 2017 #35
Voters are not the goal of fascists......... socialist_n_TN Sep 2017 #39
You seem to be saying that fascists do not vote, is that correct? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #40
No that is not what I'm saying......... socialist_n_TN Sep 2017 #42
I'd hope "dedicated and armed communists" would be stopped in infancy as well, being little better Marengo Sep 2017 #47
The fascists, Donald Trump, Jamie Dimon and all the other oligarchs...... socialist_n_TN Sep 2017 #50
Spare me the propaganda. In my youth I was involved with Bob Avakian's clown circus. As an adult... Marengo Sep 2017 #53
Stalinism (of which Maoism is a variant) is......... socialist_n_TN Sep 2017 #57
The Maoists of course disagree, considering themselves the only true ideological descendants... Marengo Sep 2017 #59
chicago was a police riot, you twit. mopinko Sep 2017 #30
Exactly! G_j Sep 2017 #48
It's inevitable Bradical79 Sep 2017 #37
Amen! LAS14 Sep 2017 #38
Antifa is not good for the Democratic Party. kentuck Sep 2017 #46
Lyons makes some good points in that. MineralMan Sep 2017 #51
Those "innocent victims" of Antifa beatings weren't so innocent. backscatter712 Sep 2017 #52
Another pseudo intellectual pansy who fancies himself the keeper of "the right way" to do things Downtown Hound Sep 2017 #54
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