You Need To Stop

[Ken Burch]

210. You just said we can't ever get their votes...by that logic, why care about them?

I object to endless threads bashing Stein voters because they are a pointless activity. They can't gain us votes and they can't make those people change. They don't in any way at all help us.

What this board should be about is coming up with ways to win in '18 and '20. The only way to win those races is on a positive program of change.

As to elephants in the room...Bernie didn't cause people to vote Stein. He wanted Hillary to win in the fall as much as any of us-and proved that once and for all be refusing Stein's offer to run on the Green ballot line.

And the documentation is all the years the party spent obsessing about what needed to be done to appease Reagan Democrats. There were never articles in mainstream Democratic publications demonizing those people for that. Instead, the party was remade to be party for them first, everyone else second. We never needed to knock anyone down to second in this party.

I'm not making excuses for Nader voters...it's simply settled historical fact that most were former Dems. We all know it.

It would be better if people voted for our presidential ticket in the fall-I spent a lot of the time last fall begging them to do that on antifascist grounds...but we can't just expect or demand that of everybody on the progressive side of the spectrum. Acting as if we can just makes us look arrogant-it never wins us votes.