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The Polack MSgt

(13,797 posts)
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 08:26 PM Sep 2017

Look I know that I've been annoyingly strident on several threads since Monday [View all]

And re-reading some of those posts, I realize that anger and whisky are not the most eloquent co-speakers.

Alright, I have posted a few inarticulate snarls of rage and I should explain myself.

For the last several months, this space has been sour and accusatory in nature.

Although any Sanders supporter could point to several counter examples, the weight of flaming blame, spite and recrimination keeps coming at me and others like me. So I gather that the prevailing wisdom is that Hillary supporting middle age Democrats are the problem.

More than that though, every damn thing that happens is Secretary Clinton's fault. Every issue from crappy grits at Denny's to your cousins leaking roof has happened because Hillary exists.

Hillary is required to wear the hair shirt and accept every accusation as divine truth. She can never abase herself enough to satisfy many of DU's true believers.

And since she never abases herself at all, her "arrogance" is held up as proof that SHE IS THE EVIL WE MUST PURGE.

There are many reasons this debacle happened - Comey, Russia, Gerrymandering, poor strategy/campaign planning, rat fucking fake "liberals", and the almost one in eight Sanders fans who voted for Trump.

Zip it, tuck it back into your pocket, and listen up:

Bernie or Busters were undeniably part of the Trump coalition. If you're here on DU that does not include you, unless you are intentionally breaking the TOS.

Here's the deal tho. I keep hearing about the "Obama-Trump voter" as if that was a major factor. Sanders backers love this demographic - because if Hill couldn't keep Obama fans in the fold it means she alone is at fault - right?

So, there are no other issues, she just sucks too hard to even keep Obama's fans.

Except these people's numbers are insignificant. Not. A. Factor.

But bring up the BoBers who wrote in Sanders, or voted third party or voted FOR TRUMP and the long knives are out.

No dammit no. Not everything is because of Bernie, not everything is Hillary's doing either. We all see that...

But there is a blatant double standard here that sickens me.

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"Passionate" sounds better than "annoyingly strident". guillaumeb Sep 2017 #1
Oh, there is mcar Sep 2017 #2
And if anyone points out the double-standard, the reply is always a dismissive one... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #57
Just today - a thread on a Politico article mcar Sep 2017 #61
The people who attack and smear Kamala Harris are fucking assholes! It's unclear to me... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #64
But even the slightest critique (well-sourced) of someone mcar Sep 2017 #66
"Our Revolution" now supports Republicans, right? Shouldn't that mean... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #68
It is a fair question mcar Sep 2017 #69
Very well said, thank you very much. George II Sep 2017 #3
Thank you JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #4
Well said. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #5
Counts: Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #6
Thank you for your input. The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #12
Since the front page of gd prior to the book release Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #39
K&R UTUSN Sep 2017 #7
K&R. Thank you! lunamagica Sep 2017 #8
It was the Russians interference in the primaries and general. AngryAmish Sep 2017 #9
K and R. lapucelle Sep 2017 #10
It all comes down to one thing BainsBane Sep 2017 #11
Two things. zentrum Sep 2017 #13
Thank you! Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #16
Your idea zentrum Sep 2017 #19
I'm not claiming the high ground The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #28
I mostly skip these threads, but glad I looked at this one mountain grammy Sep 2017 #17
Forward! zentrum Sep 2017 #22
Best post I've seen yet in all the recent Circular Firing Squad threads. klook Sep 2017 #38
Thank you for this! nt. druidity33 Sep 2017 #46
There were many, many, many more Bernie supporters than HRC supporters. That hasn't changed. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #48
Your understanding of the rules is simply wrong vis-a-vis Bernie Sanders. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #58
Stating facts, even if unpleasant, is not "bashing". Lil Missy Sep 2017 #63
I can assure you, from personal experience.... Jim Lane Sep 2017 #71
Which has absolutely nothing to my comment that "Stating facts is not the same as bashing". Lil Missy Sep 2017 #80
Oh, I agree with that comment of yours -- as a generalization. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #82
There weren't or Hillary Clinton would not have run in the general...and it wasn't close either. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #59
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Maven Sep 2017 #14
Nah Lordquinton Sep 2017 #15
16% in PA. 12% in MI The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #20
You do realize that 20-25% is a higher number than even your estimate of PA and MI right? mythology Sep 2017 #31
30 years of propaganda The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #33
Both less that 20-25% Lordquinton Sep 2017 #43
For real tho - I have not mentioned the primary in this OP or any of my replies. The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #44
Very well stated. UtahLib Sep 2017 #18
Well said, TPMS. brer cat Sep 2017 #21
I'm a life long Democrat.. i haven't missed an election since I turned 18 back in 1978. CentralMass Sep 2017 #23
Well said. zentrum Sep 2017 #42
Thank and I agree with you. CentralMass Sep 2017 #49
Pitch perfect! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #24
I agree. murielm99 Sep 2017 #25
questions before I trash this thread like every other tymorial Sep 2017 #26
I don't alert or trash or ignore. The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #29
excellent post! m-lekktor Sep 2017 #40
Excellent question... I notice the OP did not answer you. SalviaBlue Sep 2017 #45
Fear- Sen. Sanders has said negative stuff about the Democratic Party...and he undeniably has Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #60
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2017 #27
Polack... Hekate Sep 2017 #30
Hi. The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #32
K&R betsuni Sep 2017 #34
Actually, the Obama-Trump voter numbers ARE significant. progressoid Sep 2017 #35
Actually, see my post below from WAPO emulatorloo Sep 2017 #52
So...it is possible to sway those voters to our side. progressoid Sep 2017 #76
Yes that's true! However assuming those Republicans were "disillusioned Democrats" isn't true, which emulatorloo Sep 2017 #83
As I told others... I have seen polls showing the numbers were not significant. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #62
re: bashing progressoid Sep 2017 #78
Good point and then there were the lies, Russia, Comey, Facebook, Twitter...and I have still Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #79
K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #36
K&R justhanginon Sep 2017 #37
I can't thank you enough for posting this. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #41
There is a double standard here -- the exact opposite of the one you say. (n/t) Jim Lane Sep 2017 #47
Thanx for the input. NT The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #50
Good read from WAPO: "Theres no such thing as a Trump Democrat" emulatorloo Sep 2017 #51
Thank you for the link. The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #54
Beyond Sick Of These "Threads".... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #53
That's you're prerogative. No issues here... The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #55
The difference between former Obama voters and so called Bernie Bros is stark. Kentonio Sep 2017 #56
Thank you, that's well argued The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #65
End of the day he lost the primary and that's fair. Kentonio Sep 2017 #67
I concede that it's possible. You could be right, but I don't think so... The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #70
i am sorry i thought loyalty oaths were just a gop thing dembotoz Sep 2017 #72
He says to a man who swore the Oath of Enlistment 5 times. The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #73
what you are suggesting would cut my local dem party by 2/3 dembotoz Sep 2017 #74
Well said, sir. Too bad your words fall on deaf ears. GoneOffShore Sep 2017 #75
Rec For Honesty Me. Sep 2017 #77
exactly how I feel (nt) louis c Sep 2017 #81
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