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Jim Lane

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89. Donald Trump got 62,984,825 votes in the official tally.

Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:41 PM

Sep 2017

Even if we allow for some hacking of electronic votes to inflate his total, it's clear there were a LOT of people who voted for him.

Do you believe that every single one of those people is a hopeless xenophobe who will never vote for a decent candidate? Hell, even Hillary said that the "basket of deplorables" held only half of Trump's supporters.

BTW, I agree with her that the Comey letter cost her many votes. That means those people don't fit the "hopeless xenophobe" model. Either they're xenophobes who were nevertheless willing to vote for her anyway, until the letter came out, or they're non-xenophobes who abandoned her because of the letter.

And of course the Comey letter is only one of many, many factors that influenced the election. Chalking it all up to one factor -- xenophobia -- is no basis for a winning strategy.

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Some want kowtowing to a minority of people who refused to vote for clinton. [View all] boston bean Sep 2017 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author AngryAmish Sep 2017 #1

I used to go cow towing in college Orrex Sep 2017 #2

I thought that was how it was spelled!! Haha! boston bean Sep 2017 #4

LOL Orrex Sep 2017 #8

LOL ! N/T TubbersUK Sep 2017 #5

Lmao! cwydro Sep 2017 #16

Well said. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #3

You Say Ingnorance Podkayne K Sep 2017 #23

Very nice, Gershwin lover. brush Sep 2017 #31

Thrown the base under the bus mcar Sep 2017 #6

Exactly. Third party voters are what they are. delisen Sep 2017 #15

I could never understand the "burn the house down" mentality. wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #22

do you mean to say third party clu Sep 2017 #96

k/r Orrex Sep 2017 #7

Why does it have to be "rather than"? Jim Lane Sep 2017 #47

I honestly think it feels that way because the media focused so much on those WWC voters bettyellen Sep 2017 #56

It's natural and proper to focus on how to improve. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #57

Basically those were anti-immigration voters, so yeah they undercut the base... bettyellen Sep 2017 #61

That's far too simplistic. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #66

Stop relitigating the primary. bettyellen Sep 2017 #72

Read DU just in the last couple days, and you'll see that your admonition comes too late. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #88

It's against the TOS bettyellen Sep 2017 #91

This is absurd. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #95

Because it's about allocation of resources and return on investment of effort Orrex Sep 2017 #58

Also, courting xenophobes is seriously alienating to the real Dem base. bettyellen Sep 2017 #62

Absolutely correct. Orrex Sep 2017 #63

That depends on how we court them. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #67

xenophobes hate Dem values - they hate insurance that covers brown people and abortions.... bettyellen Sep 2017 #71

Donald Trump got 62,984,825 votes in the official tally. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #89

I'm not chalking it up to one factor- but saying the xenophobes are not worth chasing. They hate bettyellen Sep 2017 #90

There are two different issues here. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #94

thank you for continuing to reply clu Sep 2017 #98

Many of these paths require different resources. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #69

You don't seem to be up on what Dems have actually been doing.... bettyellen Sep 2017 #73

OK, you've won your official Democratic Underground Strawman Badge. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #87

Move On zipplewrath Sep 2017 #9

Well said PDittie Sep 2017 #11

+1 KTM Sep 2017 #12

Double that. +2 Duppers Sep 2017 #18

Exactly Saviolo Sep 2017 #19

You don't move forward without first acknowledging the past. wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #29

I voted for Hillary zipplewrath Sep 2017 #45

I keep reading references to this mythical 'firing squad.' LanternWaste Sep 2017 #59

That is already happening with Sanders supported groups like 'Our Revolution' who kicked out a Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #37

There's alot of purity testing going on zipplewrath Sep 2017 #43

The only purity test I want is one on Citizens United. Everything else is ok with me. haveahart Sep 2017 #55

One might go so far as to say the Democratic Party Platform is a purity test LanternWaste Sep 2017 #60

What's wrong with primarying Democrats? HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #75

K & R. n/t FSogol Sep 2017 #10

Looking at all of these posts about the 2016 primaries GeoWilliam750 Sep 2017 #13

Umm they are about the general election. Not the primary. boston bean Sep 2017 #26

Yes that is what we are threatened with isn't it? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #38

I want to move forward n2doc Sep 2017 #14

Are you on JPR?? Did you take their oath to never vote for Hillary? boston bean Sep 2017 #27

wow. are you for real? m-lekktor Sep 2017 #40

Do some people take an oath to lie about JPR? Jim Lane Sep 2017 #51

Not surprisingly, JAR are kvetching about Hillary's book today RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #64

In other words, you can't even begin to defend your absurd smear. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #65

I never said there was an oath RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #80

Sorry, my mistake. It's boston bean who didn't defend a lie. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #86

typical isn't it. ++++ JHan Sep 2017 #81

I'm sure it's just "identity politics". n/m RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #82

Don't you DARE try to normalize that cesspool here. Maven Sep 2017 #93

What is this, Straw Man Week on DU? Jim Lane Sep 2017 #97

"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the communist party? " WoonTars Sep 2017 #54

Enough.....!!!!!!!! roomtomove Sep 2017 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author m-lekktor Sep 2017 #41

Too many divisive posts. PatrickforO Sep 2017 #20

The Democratic Party losses all across the country are due to kowtowing? jalan48 Sep 2017 #21

So, if people instead tell you are right to point this out once a day (it seems) Chakaconcarne Sep 2017 #24

I just wish everyone would concentrate on the FACT raven mad Sep 2017 #25

Thank you! Thank you very much! This group of disloyal non-voters is NOT "the base"... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #28

Hear, hear! brush Sep 2017 #33

+1000000000 treestar Sep 2017 #48

In 2008 we had competitive primaries between a lady and a brown person IronLionZion Sep 2017 #30

We had economic meltdown in 08 and neither Democratic candidate attacked the party. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #39

Trying to pull the party in a more left direction HopeAgain Sep 2017 #32

Voting for a republican or not voting or writing in mickey mouse in the GE boston bean Sep 2017 #35

Have you notice gerrymandering, repug vote suppression, vote hacking or Comey's letter? brush Sep 2017 #36

yes I see a lot of "we need them" treestar Sep 2017 #34

That's their EGO talking. They want us to believe we "need" them... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #42

Heard this before zipplewrath Sep 2017 #49

THANK YOU - excellent point RandomAccess Sep 2017 #74

So if you don't need 'them', why do they get the blame for Hillary's loss? WoonTars Sep 2017 #50

++++ Agree. Well said. iluvtennis Sep 2017 #44

Well, I'm zentrum Sep 2017 #46

Millions upon millions voted for Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #52

Yep HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #77

Do you understand the definition of "the minority"? boston bean Sep 2017 #84

46% may technically be a minority, but not by much. stranger81 Sep 2017 #92

I think this remains MFM008 Sep 2017 #53

. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #68

Her book has great timing. We can learn from it in time for the next elections in 2018 & 2020. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #70

wtf is kow or cow towing? samnsara Sep 2017 #76

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #78

K&R R B Garr Sep 2017 #79

I'm not a fan of kowtowing, but I'd be cool with it if we hughee99 Sep 2017 #83

Could we please give it a rest. It's been done to death and we are all so weary of this childishness OregonBlue Sep 2017 #85