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pnwmom

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18. Your one poll says: "some people in the news" and "As I read each name:" and then lists them.

Thu Sep 7, 2017, 06:49 AM

Sep 2017

So the poll only shows that he's the most popular out of whichever handful of politicians they choose to compare him to -- not all the politicians in America. So you haven't proven he's the most popular of all politicians in America.

Why is this so hard to understand?

And rally attendance doesn't prove much either. Hillary got 3 million more POPULAR votes than DT even though he had more people attending rallies. Trump didn't win because people liked him more or because more people went to his rallies. He won because of the rigged Electoral College (rigged to give more weight to votes in certain largely rural and white states), plus Russian meddling, plus voter suppression, plus Comey's two letter bombs. And even despite all that, his winning Electoral College margin only came to 70,000 votes spread over 3 states.

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I know it's popular to knock down Bernie Sanders BUT [View all] BigBearJohn Sep 2017 OP

they're not making enemies of all of his supporters clu Sep 2017 #1

Kucinich was re-elected until they gerrymandered his district away. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #9

i am sorry but if you don't support the democratic candidate clu Sep 2017 #10

is that a response to anything i wrote? Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #11

it was a bad joke clu Sep 2017 #12

I saw your edit as soon as I posted my response. No problem. I like Dennis, even with his elf ears. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #15

Dennis Kucinich FOX News spokesperson?Russian collusion doesn't exist Respect trump Kucinich? lunasun Sep 2017 #31

let the dude alone clu Sep 2017 #37

"Financial gun to his head"You mean he's a paid shill now? bettyellen Sep 2017 #41

Watch Fox News or we will hurt this cute puppy emulatorloo Sep 2017 #77

Got it. Like poor little KellyAnne, he just needs to make a buck or two. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #76

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #30

He is full on right wing these days and a Russian puppet. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #74

i will have to watch a few clips clu Sep 2017 #97

So it's okay if he is doing it for money? MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #133

I thought Dennis has gone over to the right Motownman78 Sep 2017 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #23

Our liberal and moderate forefathers created a progressive democratic republic. Hortensis Sep 2017 #138

I feel the same way. Let's move the hell on. Find common ground and move on. MaeScott Sep 2017 #2

Let's meet on the high ground. Hortensis Sep 2017 #139

He's not the most popular politician in America. In a poll that listed only 4 Democrats, Bernie, pnwmom Sep 2017 #3

Bernie is the most popular CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #13

There isn't a SINGLE poll showing that. All any of them can show is that he's pnwmom Sep 2017 #14

There are several CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #16

Your one poll says: "some people in the news" and "As I read each name:" and then lists them. pnwmom Sep 2017 #18

Bernie is the most popular CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #21

From which poll did that graphic come? George II Sep 2017 #52

Says it at the bottom CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #54

I googled "Crosstabs" and "HCAPS", no hits. George II Sep 2017 #56

It was also taken back in March. GoCubsGo Sep 2017 #135

It only asks about three other Dems -- so it's fails to prove the point he's making pnwmom Sep 2017 #66

Some people only believe what they prefer. BeckyDem Sep 2017 #61

That was a judgment that makes no sense. They acknowledge that that question pnwmom Sep 2017 #67

I don't think politifact is the one not making sense. BeckyDem Sep 2017 #71

That's because of your bias. Joe Biden is a very popular politician and the fact that he was left pnwmom Sep 2017 #81

Politifact is biased according to those not appreciating their conclusions. BeckyDem Sep 2017 #136

I don't think they're biased. But their "mostly true" rating came down to a judgment call, pnwmom Sep 2017 #143

Donald Trump Is Not Popular, But Hillary Clinton Is Even Worse- Newsweek BeckyDem Sep 2017 #62

There are THOUSANDS of politicians in America. This study named FOUR. So being more pnwmom Sep 2017 #64

I hope Sen.Sanders does not run, but if he does, I would bet he will lose the 2020 Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #73

lol you really think that would be the case? CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #112

Yes...there is the age factor and there is no question, he has ticked off Democratic followers. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #141

Argumentum ad ignorantiam lapucelle Sep 2017 #91

Four people in this case. lapucelle Sep 2017 #90

Try the results of the 2016 primaries. If he was most popular he would've won. brush Sep 2017 #114

Selling out venues? DesertRat Sep 2017 #32

You know what I mean CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #33

Although the banner of this article reflects today's news the article is over 2 years old. Fla Dem Sep 2017 #35

And that speaks volumes CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #36

Yes. It proves that his big rallies did not indicate he'd get large numbers of votes. pnwmom Sep 2017 #69

There are reasons for that CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #103

Two years old? George II Sep 2017 #45

I fail to see why that's funny CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #48

In between the date of your article and now he lost the primaries by 4 million votes. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #70

And how he's the most popular politician today :) CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #104

I don't think that is accurate. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #142

According to your poll, lapucelle Sep 2017 #89

So you're saying the poll results melman Sep 2017 #20

Yes. They don't extend to the larger group of American politicians -- thus they say nothing pnwmom Sep 2017 #95

I've shown you several polls CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #106

Right melman Sep 2017 #130

And the same polls show that Pence is the second most popular politician. brer cat Sep 2017 #38

There are many polls showing Bernie as the most popular CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #46

Agreed that we need a coalition. Amimnoch Sep 2017 #39

I disagree CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #49

Too bad that youth could not bother to vote lunamagica Sep 2017 #58

There's reasons for that CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #59

Yeah, they're young and impatient, don't know enough how things work bettyellen Sep 2017 #84

Wow way to disparage a whole generation CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #98

And sooo easily offended. I'm sorry, but many have been engaged a short period of time and think bettyellen Sep 2017 #115

I'm of the age group that you just used a stereotype against CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #116

It's great that they're getting more engaged- Much more so than Xers were at that age for sure! bettyellen Sep 2017 #119

Not always sorry CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #122

Young people will know or remember very little of the Bush years, let alone Reagan. bettyellen Sep 2017 #123

Excuse me? I don't have an ego CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #125

You want to believe you won't learn things or have a wider perspective as you grow older? It deeply bettyellen Sep 2017 #126

What I'm saying is CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #128

You're right - except that they don't turn out. When they do it's awesome, but... bettyellen Sep 2017 #137

Welcome CloudsInMyCoffee! Perfectly stated !! southerncrone Sep 2017 #118

Thank you. I don't get it CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #121

Well we have to look at those reasons so we can fix the damage done Ninsianna Sep 2017 #96

Energizing a youth base is not the same as building a political coalition. Amimnoch Sep 2017 #60

I disagree CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #102

disagree all you'd like. You don't get to change the definition to fit your narrative. Amimnoch Sep 2017 #145

His leadership role is a relatively obscure position with virtually no responsibilities. George II Sep 2017 #87

And yet he has a leadership position regardless CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #107

Yes he did. Schumer is a shrewd politician. George II Sep 2017 #110

Which polls are you referring to... George II Sep 2017 #44

Look at my posts above CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #51

No links and no names. George II Sep 2017 #53

They all have the names in them CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #55

The Hill commissioned the Harvard Haris poll lapucelle Sep 2017 #88

I wasn't taking about the Hill poll CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #109

I read all of the data from the CNN/ORB poll lapucelle Sep 2017 #131

So then every poll is meaningless, right? CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #132

I'm always a little leery when non-experts lapucelle Sep 2017 #144

Yes, he's the most popular elected official, in a list of 16 people of whom 9 were politicians. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #111

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #134

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #4

he lost by 4 million votes!@ clu Sep 2017 #5

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #6

no need to even go there clu Sep 2017 #7

This nonsense again? mythology Sep 2017 #24

The only thing I want from MyNameGoesHere Sep 2017 #8

Because it helps book sales? Barack_America Sep 2017 #17

The earlier, the better. How would it have been better for her to release her book before the 2018 pnwmom Sep 2017 #19

It all depends on what your goals and priorities are. Barack_America Sep 2017 #22

Some would prefer it not being released at all. George II Sep 2017 #47

Hard to take that seriously when Sanders had done at least one book stop this week. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #29

You've read two pages of a 500+ page book. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #65

If he really were the most popular, he would have won the primary. Orsino Sep 2017 #25

60k voters clu Sep 2017 #26

Those lost votes were mostly Clinton's... thats been known since it happened. bettyellen Sep 2017 #42

i only returned back recently clu Sep 2017 #72

Yes -- from a district that polls showed heavily favored Hillary -- like the other NY boroughs. pnwmom Sep 2017 #82

with his criticism of wall st clu Sep 2017 #99

Only registered Democrats could vote in the NY primary, so if Sanders's independents wanted to vote pnwmom Sep 2017 #101

help please clu Sep 2017 #113

If Bernie runs as an Independent in the next election, we will suffer more consequences. PubliusEnigma Sep 2017 #27

Sanders is a personality, I expect people to discuss him. delisen Sep 2017 #28

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #34

He's "the most popular politician in America" among a very select, small set of "politicians"... George II Sep 2017 #40

The small percentage of his supporters being attacked.... Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #43

"Vote for the Democrat to defeat the Republicans" CakeGrrl Sep 2017 #50

I am TIRED of white folks dragging Sanders and Clinton underthematrix Sep 2017 #57

YES!!!! LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #108

Thank you. We need to focus on a DEMOCRATIC PROGRESSIVE agenda. Infighting is bullshit and underthematrix Sep 2017 #124

HRC's popularity was at 66% when she left the State department. So don't get too married emulatorloo Sep 2017 #63

Rose also as a U.S. Senator but not as much as SoS because she was relatively Hortensis Sep 2017 #140

It's not about knocking down Bernie Sanders wryter2000 Sep 2017 #68

At this point it's about sides not candidates XRubicon Sep 2017 #75

The conservatives think they'd be happy if the left all disappeared Warpy Sep 2017 #78

We need to learn from all the mistakes made during the election. Otherwise applegrove Sep 2017 #79

LOL NurseJackie Sep 2017 #80

Yes, exactly! nt Raine Sep 2017 #83

Ohh boy... yuiyoshida Sep 2017 #85

These polls ... NanceGreggs Sep 2017 #86

I don't care who's more popular. My only point was that we shouldn't alienate all his supporters. BigBearJohn Sep 2017 #92

Real Bernie supporters are Hillary supporters, since they voted for her Starry Messenger Sep 2017 #94

amen nt clu Sep 2017 #100

I have serious trouble accepting the fact that ANY Bernie supporter would vote for Drumph. southerncrone Sep 2017 #117

i would like to see a link for any such poll clu Sep 2017 #120

It was in the news late last month Starry Messenger Sep 2017 #146

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #105

No, we don't need them SoCalNative Sep 2017 #127

UNITED we STAND, divided we fall. pansypoo53219 Sep 2017 #129