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92. Here are the relevant passages. It's like the NY Times article analyzing the 2000 Florida Ballots...

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 10:43 AM

Jul 2012

headline, "Bush wins even under recount", guts of the article "IN a full recount, Gore would have won". Here is the relevant part of the piece:

"It was not clear who the protesters were or what political affiliations they might have. Protesters outside Clinton’s hotel on Saturday night chanted anti-Islamist slogans, accusing the United States of backing the Muslim Brotherhood’s rise to power."

Muslim Brotherhood folks are not upset at the US Government. Its the pro-Mubarak, pro-military folks who feel they didnt get the support they wanted.

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Hillary Clinton motorcade pelted with tomatoes, shoes in Egypt [View all] marmar Jul 2012 OP

how sickening demtenjeep Jul 2012 #1

Yeah, those damned ungrateful Egyptians! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2012 #114

What kind of shoes? Iggy Jul 2012 #2

Remember what happened to Bush* in Iraq? Rhiannon12866 Jul 2012 #71

Yes! I remember that Iggy Jul 2012 #77

Scum suckers NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #3

Scumsuckers? Do you mean the American imperial authorities... JackRiddler Jul 2012 #63

You are projecting. The protesters are protesting in favor of the military stevenleser Jul 2012 #82

You might be right, but... JackRiddler Jul 2012 #137

Political affiliations unclear? joshcryer Jul 2012 #4

Freedom of expression, very happy that they still have that right in Egypt! Just goes to show that teddy51 Jul 2012 #5

Did anyone think we were "so loved all over the world"? Sounds like you've created quite the..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #41

No, actually we are hated around the world and we certainly deserve it. Over the years and teddy51 Jul 2012 #44

Perhaps the Greens will spread your message far and wide? Talk about "hate and filth". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #46

Lol... Ok then! Have a nice nite! teddy51 Jul 2012 #48

And you as well! USA! USA! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #49

i see you've met a few of DUs non dems. ASSANGE/MANNING 2012!1!1 dionysus Jul 2012 #93

They crack me the hell up! ASSANGE/MANNING 2012!!!! Indeed. Ralph Nader for SOS! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #122

You consider assault to be freedom of expression. nt NCTraveler Jul 2012 #81

Chanting and throwing tomatoes and shoes at a moving motorcade really don't qualify as assault. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #87

"A tomato struck an Egyptian official in the face" NCTraveler Jul 2012 #94

Understandable, really Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #6

What you said. snot Jul 2012 #9

So if someone didn't like you it would be fine with you if they tormented your wife then? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #10

she's the secretary of state, not someone's wife. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #12

Starting to feel like I have a stalker NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #16

i thought it was a discussion board, not a private conversation. i didn't make a personal remark HiPointDem Jul 2012 #21

Sorry, but I think your the one with the problem! Hillary Clinton gets what she stands for. The teddy51 Jul 2012 #25

She wasn't SoS during Bill Clinton's administration. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #31

It's called association, and yes maybe they did an association with Hillary. teddy51 Jul 2012 #36

she's the overseas representative of the US government and its foreign policy. they can blame HiPointDem Jul 2012 #53

They can do whatever the they want. They have every right to do so. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #56

as the representative of us foreign policy, they can blame her for bill's foreign policy, or nixon's HiPointDem Jul 2012 #75

I don't dispute that at all. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #56

Ding ding ding we have a winner. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #42

Don, she is representing the government of the US nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #19

Nadin, did you even read what the poster wrote before you responded to my post? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #22

Yes, and I know exactly where he is coming from nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #24

Did you also realize that the protesters were in favor of Mubarak and in favor of the military and stevenleser Jul 2012 #84

No, since that's not in the article. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #89

Here are the relevant passages. It's like the NY Times article analyzing the 2000 Florida Ballots... stevenleser Jul 2012 #92

It's a lot more than just pro-Muslim Brotherhood or pro-Mubarak. The revolutionaries also don't Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #124

Perhaps you should learn a bit more about the situation in Egypt before responding. And perhaps stevenleser Jul 2012 #130

What agenda am I clinging to? What articles am I not reading? What do I need to learn? Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #134

I am pretty sure the poster knew that NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #90

Don this has nothing to do with the Obama administration nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #96

It's more than Yankee go home, it's "Yankee, why didnt you support Mubarak/military vs Muslim..." stevenleser Jul 2012 #103

You have no evidence for that claim. There are more parties at stake in Egypt than Mubarak Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #125

The evidence is right in the article. nt stevenleser Jul 2012 #129

No it's not. And you know that. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #136

Yes, and... these dynamics are common in OTHER countries nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #95

Which dynamics? There are several being discussed. nt stevenleser Jul 2012 #99

See post 97 nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #100

They'd do the same thing if George Bush showed up Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #76

Problem is that is not what you wrote in your post I was responding to. Here is what you wrote NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #91

She does hold some minor position in our government 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #88

Hillary Clinton was the first lady, not part of his administration... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #33

More than likely for their own gain, certainly not for the Egyptian people. The US has absolutely teddy51 Jul 2012 #35

And that's why I can't take these assholes seriously... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #65

H. Clinton: "I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family." Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #66

A lot of people did. Hell, at one point, so did the Egyptian people... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #67

The Egyptian democratic activist have been working for more than a decade... Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #70

If they havent been discovered to be torturers and killers, how would you know? stevenleser Jul 2012 #111

The Obama Administration helped oust Mubarak? Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #43

Link? Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #64

And the US still sends guns to the SCAF which are still used to suppress the people. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #38

As I said to another poster above, you are projecting. These protesters are in favor of the military stevenleser Jul 2012 #83

And these are very common dynamics nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #97

Perhaps, but the poster I replied to is making a specific assertion that is not correct. stevenleser Jul 2012 #101

And some of that may be at play as well nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #104

The article makes no such suggestion. The only specific protesters are pro-military. I think the stevenleser Jul 2012 #106

Well again, I am too far to fact check reuters nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #108

I'm familiar with generic anti-American sentiment on three continents. This doesnt seem like it. stevenleser Jul 2012 #110

Then we can agree to disagree nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #112

I've addressed this assertion of your's several times now. It's certainly possible Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #127

You have repeatedly regurgitated your talking points without reading articles, and you purport stevenleser Jul 2012 #131

Disgusting. I'm no fan of many diplomats from some countries (like the KSA) riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #7

maybe you would if they ran roughshod over your country and installed & replaced your leaders. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #14

Just innoculating herself customerserviceguy Jul 2012 #8

This has nothing to do with "The Clintons," it's the Obama Admin. ilikeitthatway Jul 2012 #11

If we got out, several countries would still sell oil to folks who would bring it to the U.S. n/t amandabeech Jul 2012 #13

True, true ilikeitthatway Jul 2012 #17

Yes ! ode2joi Jul 2012 #29

I have no idea what you are talking about. n/t amandabeech Jul 2012 #51

The Taliban were armed nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #107

the egyptians have a lot to blame the us for. blowback is a bitch. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #15

Not EVERYTHING is the US' fault ilikeitthatway Jul 2012 #18

i think they're better informed than you are. in the case of egypt, yes, a lot of things are the HiPointDem Jul 2012 #20

And it certainly is not limited to Egypt, the US has it's hands in so many nasties around the world. teddy51 Jul 2012 #26

No, but Egypt was one of the leading recipients of US military aid under Mubarak. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #39

yankee go home! KG Jul 2012 #23

That's right! teddy51 Jul 2012 #28

WTF frogmarch Jul 2012 #27

It's called association, and yes maybe they did an association with Hillary. teddy51 Jul 2012 #30

assholes. Why are we helping them? progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #32

Acts like what? We pumped up there Dictator for years and we deserve what we get! We have teddy51 Jul 2012 #34

I am pretty sure our "help" i.e. military aid for a brutal dictator and our continued support Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #40

We support a brutal dictator who killed his own people... white_wolf Jul 2012 #54

+1. Don't you just love all the many hypotheses being presented here. The "Blame America First" Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #62

'The "Blame America First" crowd' marmar Jul 2012 #72

You're probably the expert, I don't listen to Hannity. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #73

Let's not do the "Blame America First" nonsense ilikeitthatway Jul 2012 #117

Well, if the "shoe" fits? No pun intended. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #123

Jeane Kirkpatrick is that you? Those San Francisco Democrats are still at it I see. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #128

More "regurgitation"? Thanks, but I'll pass. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #132

You are the one who quoted Jeane Kirkpatrick's 1984 Republican National Convention Speech. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #133

A country didn't "act like that," a handful of protesters did. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #69

And if you watch the video, it was indeed a handful at most. Prometheus Bound Jul 2012 #74

Can you blame them? The US, including Obama, supported Mubarak with weapons. We still send guns to Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #37

Oh, I think "we get it". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #45

No we don't! If we did we would change the way we do business and stop supporting the thugs teddy51 Jul 2012 #47

Well alrighty then! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #50

It's amazing that choie Jul 2012 #85

The protesters are Mubarak/Military supporters who think we didnt support them enough stevenleser Jul 2012 #86

Both Clinton and her hand-picked shithead Frank Wisner were shilling for Mubark publicly as... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #52

H. Clinton: "I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family." Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #55

I think we tried to rig the election, cliss Jul 2012 #60

Hmmm...I'm thinking this year is not the year to go see the pyramids. n/t Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #61

As long as we support right wing dictators & avaricious moponopolies, we deserve their hatred. Vidar Jul 2012 #68

"prostestors" ? annabanana Jul 2012 #78

Whole story is massive "shiny thing" annabanana Jul 2012 #79

Yup, the tomatoes are the give away to a point nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #105

Hey Hillary ...how's that American exceptionalism working out for ya? L0oniX Jul 2012 #98

Seems like the protesters werent getting enough of it, so they protested. stevenleser Jul 2012 #109

One right-winger I know on a mainstream forum was gleeful about this... jimlup Jul 2012 #102

I guess shoe throwing is only appropriate when the target is a repuke. hughee99 Jul 2012 #113

George Bush killed over a billion people and wouldn't stop ilikeitthatway Jul 2012 #118

A Billion people? hughee99 Jul 2012 #119

Not a fan of the chimp nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #120

Some of you are projecting. Beacool Jul 2012 #115

That's not entirely true. They were organized by pro-Revolution Liberal and Coptic groups who think Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #135

Chickens coming home to roost, MadHound Jul 2012 #116

Except that these were pro Mubarak supporters. Beacool Jul 2012 #121

My wife would love this. She can never have enough shoes! n/t Ian David Jul 2012 #126