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Jarqui

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228. When Bernie lost, I dropped out of sight for many weeks.

Thu Sep 7, 2017, 10:49 AM

Sep 2017

I cannot recall any threads asking where I went. I doubt my disappearance had much impact.

When I returned, I kind of held my nose with respect to Hillary and went after Trump. My efforts were to encourage supporting her over Trump and that is largely what I did. I hammered Trump - under news articles around the web, etc - like I did for Obama's GOP challengers.

I'm sure Clinton supporters would have been very happy if she had beaten Trump. Although I support dreamers, women, people of color, LGBTQ and health insurance for all, etc and have all my life, I would have been merely relieved Trump did not get into office because I was one of the 60% who do not trust Hillary - I lacked confidence she would do as she promised because of her history of flip-flops on issues (LGBT for example).

I'm not going to suddenly stand in front of the mirror and lie to myself about how I feel. I came by my position honestly based upon facts and events I observed. I support Democratic causes but I have problems with candidates, on the left or right, who have multiple issues with their integrity like Hillary has. Just because she prevailed in the primary with a suspect or corrupt DNC doesn't change that. I do not think Hillary is nearly as dishonest as Trump is but I think Bernie's trustworthiness is significantly better and the polls back me up on that.

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Sanders tanked Clinton. [View all] Eko Sep 2017 OP

It is strange that stating something like this about a non dem here will cause an uproar. boston bean Sep 2017 #1

I was here during the general election and this is a lie karynnj Sep 2017 #46

I was here during the general election and it's spot on.... stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #56

Correct rock Sep 2017 #93

Actually the rules were NOT suspended in the general election. If anything they were strengthened karynnj Sep 2017 #99

I'm reporting what I remember rock Sep 2017 #104

Anything negative about Bernie was also out of line. sarah FAILIN Sep 2017 #250

many, many trolls have heaven05 Sep 2017 #260

Yeah it is a lie. I was here the whole time. I have no idea what this person is talking about. SweetieD Sep 2017 #88

TRUE w/PROOF. From DU on 2/22/16 "Five Children Murdered After They Were Deported Back To Honduras" VOX Sep 2017 #177

I was warned about posting negative post against a Dem.. Stellar Sep 2017 #266

I was here during the general and a certain senator never officially dropped out until the conventio brush Sep 2017 #103

"Immediately out?" Look at the top of the page. Verify that you are referring to DU. NBachers Sep 2017 #255

In the primary, I agree there were likely more Bernie supporters, karynnj Sep 2017 #257

What's even more bizarre is the push back when one asks them to stop Cary Sep 2017 #69

I supported Bernie, but now it's time for him to go away and leave our party alone. nt Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #2

I AGREE. if he isn't gonna join the Democratic party, he should shut the hell up trueblue2007 Sep 2017 #10

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #95

Are you going to appeal to Schumer and have him demand that Bernie leave the leadership role karynnj Sep 2017 #102

I already have. Only those who are members of the Democratic Party should have leadership roles... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #223

How petty karynnj Sep 2017 #231

Why is it petty? A person who cannot commit to joining the Democratic Party should have Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #233

He does caucus with us and historically such people are karynnj Sep 2017 #240

How do you feel about Hillary stepping out of the limelight customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #202

It's time for us old codgers to step aside and let the next generation run the show. nt Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #205

Agreed customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #206

The party is almost two generations behind... Baconator Sep 2017 #214

I want to see...new candidates run. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #234

Would you prefer party coronations? Warpy Sep 2017 #3

Nowhere did I ever say that. Eko Sep 2017 #4

Which means you can't. Warpy Sep 2017 #5

The party owes an independent nothing. There are reasons for parties. boston bean Sep 2017 #6

The party said themselves that they don't believe voting to be all that necessary to the process... Baconator Sep 2017 #215

No, it means Eko Sep 2017 #8

Well written! JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #62

Usually the candidates who "slug it out" in the Democratic primaries are all Democrats oberliner Sep 2017 #30

Anyone remember the attacks flying back & forth between Hillary & Barack in 2012? InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #31

Yes, but the loser handled it very differently lapucelle Sep 2017 #131

Sanders technically stopped the count, too. joshcryer Sep 2017 #143

I remember Denver. lapucelle Sep 2017 #165

Actually, 2008 was extremely vicious. joshcryer Sep 2017 #139

I think Comey will definitely be in Clinton's book. delisen Sep 2017 #52

Blaming the press? Cary Sep 2017 #70

Yes, a coronation would have been preferable than Trump. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #73

You are assuming a coronation would have led to a victory over Trump karynnj Sep 2017 #105

I believe had their not been a primary, Trump would have lost. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #220

Would you prefer every loser to spend 8 weeks and 3 days not campaigning... joshcryer Sep 2017 #134

Yes better a coronation than Benedict Donald uponit7771 Sep 2017 #199

She literally faced Jack the Ripper in the general election Drahthaardogs Sep 2017 #270

the bad decisions came from many sides. I don't think it's fair to lay this before Sanders' feet. beachjustice Sep 2017 #7

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #9

I think its hightime to talk about the Eko Sep 2017 #11

I agree but any time I have the post is removed. The battle arthritisR_US Sep 2017 #14

No shit! leftofcool Sep 2017 #12

That's absurd melman Sep 2017 #13

All the cheerleaders thanking Bernie for making the sun rise is "bashing"? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #35

'All the cheerleaders thanking Bernie for making the sun rise' melman Sep 2017 #40

Eh, I don't have a star so I can't search the site, but-I'm sure you can do a search Ninsianna Sep 2017 #168

Google tip for any non-star members Bradical79 Sep 2017 #189

Thanks! Ninsianna Sep 2017 #200

Excellent reply JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #65

Yep. cwydro Sep 2017 #16

No they are not, I had a post removed yesterday that was perceived as anti-Clinton. Kentonio Sep 2017 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author karynnj Sep 2017 #47

That was a good post BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #60

I had two hidden... Baconator Sep 2017 #241

this is bullshit. Pay more attention. People on both sides say the same thing about who JCanete Sep 2017 #22

I have never alerted on anyone but the few times I've said arthritisR_US Sep 2017 #26

but look, if you can only speak from your experience, why make a bold statement JCanete Sep 2017 #28

Just on a jury for this post. Kingofalldems Sep 2017 #72

good. Its a dumb claim, but it may as well stay to be soundly refuted. nt JCanete Sep 2017 #242

not my experience. the opposite in fact garybeck Sep 2017 #112

We share the same experience albeit on opposite poles. It worries arthritisR_US Sep 2017 #113

FFS, this is total 100% bullshit! n/t USALiberal Sep 2017 #153

Sorry, but on some issues it IS wrong. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2017 #15

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #17

People here said Hillary was killing little kids? leftstreet Sep 2017 #18

That's a common Right Wing disinformation point, and the folks who Ninsianna Sep 2017 #36

Got a link to those archives you have seen that people keep talking about? Autumn Sep 2017 #92

. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #106

Much of DU was always aginst cluster bombs and war . Discussion on Hillary's votes Autumn Sep 2017 #109

Understood. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #110

Nope. You've been here longer than I have, is it that difficult to figure out how to search Ninsianna Sep 2017 #122

Already looked. Much of DU has always been anti war and anti cluster bombs way back to Autumn Sep 2017 #123

But blaming that on Hillary Clinton is very much a right wing thing. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #167

Hillary, like all Senaters was responsible for her own votes on cluster bombs and the IWR. Autumn Sep 2017 #190

Yes, EVERY senator is responsible for his or her votes, but if we're going to accuse Ninsianna Sep 2017 #204

Here's what I do know, I know for a fact that many of those people who were against Autumn Sep 2017 #218

I hear she won them over. SMC22307 Sep 2017 #252

Remember how nasty the 08 primary got? I'm not in Hawaii so hi. Most of the names are the same. Autumn Sep 2017 #258

Any way the wind blows... SMC22307 Sep 2017 #269

Anyway at all. Autumn Sep 2017 #271

Mahalo! QC Sep 2017 #263

... SMC22307 Sep 2017 #268

I've teased people spreading anti-Hillary fake news and the reply was: betsuni Sep 2017 #53

Yeah, me too. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #161

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #19

There is a difference between a Democrat saying and someone attacking from the outside, Ninsianna Sep 2017 #37

Synopsis of your link JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #67

Don't waste any time. It's a "video" of the theme song for the governing party of East Germany... George II Sep 2017 #94

Thanks JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #111

Looks like it's been deleted! I missed it (thankfully). Must have been a TROLL... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #115

I forget who it was, but it was a back hand slap at Democrats. George II Sep 2017 #116

Definitely a troll. Maybe MIRT got him/her. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #117

Agreed, and thanks for saying this. I see it often R B Garr Sep 2017 #20

? I never heard it, as a sanders supporter, listening to sanders supporters. I have no idea JCanete Sep 2017 #21

I certainly do BainsBane Sep 2017 #23

yes, I almost spoke for the supposed "real" democrats who would say something similar. So you agree JCanete Sep 2017 #25

Replacing primaries with caucuses is disenfranchisement BainsBane Sep 2017 #32

I know that minority voters are primarily democratic as opposed to Republican. Do you know what the JCanete Sep 2017 #44

Caucuses disenfranchise BainsBane Sep 2017 #249

the Gitmo issue is interesting JI7 Sep 2017 #29

4 votes against closing it BainsBane Sep 2017 #33

But those votes weren't about "closing gitmo" - they were about importing gitmo to Illinois. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #192

Relocating the prisoners and closing the camp are the same thing BainsBane Sep 2017 #212

What? No. Relocating prisoners under the same conditions, theoretically, is not the same thing as JCanete Sep 2017 #217

rights are determined by courts BainsBane Sep 2017 #248

you need to point to the specific points. that New Yorker article is impressive, but if you have a JCanete Sep 2017 #264

One fellow that you may know well insisted that Clinton would be indicted for email Cary Sep 2017 #74

It isn't specific enough. Who was it? Also, that isn't somebody I well know saying he was in favor JCanete Sep 2017 #119

I have zero interest in anything "being hung around the necks of Sanders supporters." Cary Sep 2017 #120

If you believe the Democratic Party is wrong on an issue then lobby to attempt to fix it. democratisphere Sep 2017 #24

Honestly askyagerz Sep 2017 #27

Well said... the time is WAYYY overdue for folks to move on. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #38

I supported Bernie bluestateboomer Sep 2017 #34

I'm close to this position Jarqui Sep 2017 #63

I agree with this. alarimer Sep 2017 #84

And I wonder if your reluctance to support Sec. Clinton influenced others to not support her. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #219

When Bernie lost, I dropped out of sight for many weeks. Jarqui Sep 2017 #228

I don't mean here ...I saw folks on various forums...say awful things about Hillary...or Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #229

I was so disillusioned, I looked around Jarqui Sep 2017 #235

At least in the end you voted for decency...many didn't . And I condemn everyone of them...and wish Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #236

If Trump doesn't get us all killed or ruin too many lives, Jarqui Sep 2017 #239

Even now with Trump, you can not be entirely behind a Clinton victory that is sad...personally, Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #232

As I felt then, I'd be very relieved if Hillary was president over Trump Jarqui Sep 2017 #238

Nope - never heard/read anything about HRC like that. ihaveaquestion Sep 2017 #39

Me neither... seems rather odd. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #163

Oh give me a break. Kentonio Sep 2017 #41

It was clear to me that he was going to. ucrdem Sep 2017 #43

I thought it was Comey that tanked Clinton. jalan48 Sep 2017 #45

Comey and her poor handling of her email and the email issue karynnj Sep 2017 #48

I've said that before about the emails- other people failed her Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #55

Note that she kept that same team which made these decisions karynnj Sep 2017 #98

It wasn't just Comey. The bitterness during the general was horrifying. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #75

Don't forget the Russians. Lots to blame there as well. jalan48 Sep 2017 #80

absolutely. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #91

And I Disagree! ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #49

I will never forgive him n/t kcr Sep 2017 #50

Nor will I. calimary Sep 2017 #129

He should have united after getting stuff in the platform. Blue_true Sep 2017 #137

Yes. It became about Berne Sanders. He felt entitled and angry when he didn't get it. kcr Sep 2017 #222

BS shanny Sep 2017 #51

K&R betsuni Sep 2017 #54

K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #57

The beatings will continue till morale improves ornotna Sep 2017 #58

Oh, BS! DiverDave Sep 2017 #59

"NOTHING ELSE"??? NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #121

2016 is over. Past. Can't be changed. Vinca Sep 2017 #61

In my state Clinton tanked Clinton dembotoz Sep 2017 #64

I witnessed minorities being attacked by some Sander's supporters. Here. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #66

I did too mcar Sep 2017 #79

Yes, dammit. Hekate Sep 2017 #108

Over on the crazy site minorities are attacked on the regular. joshcryer Sep 2017 #145

Bernie was 100% accurate in his descriptions of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party DemocraticWing Sep 2017 #68

Why then are you here? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #76

Are you the gatekeeper? melman Sep 2017 #107

His Our Revolution wants to primary Dems who aren't "pure" mcar Sep 2017 #71

Yes this is why I say it is not over...the same folks who tanked the general in 16 may do it again Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #78

46% of people didn't vote. Blue_true Sep 2017 #149

There is a mix of conservatives and progressives who don't vote...many live in red or blue states Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #224

The far left bomb throwers have safe situations. Blue_true Sep 2017 #243

Yes they do..they are the entitled and the privileged mostly. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #247

Bullshit. alarimer Sep 2017 #77

A 'robust' primary system can damage the winning candidate...and it costs money and time. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

The people. Blue_true Sep 2017 #245

Yes I did read it...and you are right...we had a primary and an election. We lost Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #246

Then get the hell out and form your own party. nt Blue_true Sep 2017 #244

Oh STOP it with this fucking shit. NO one gets a blank check. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #82

+1 KTM Sep 2017 #100

Yes, exactly! nt Raine Sep 2017 #127

' A seat at the table' can be defined as 'my way or the highway'...and yes if you are Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #225

what keeps getting lost is hrc was the ideal candidate for trump to run against dembotoz Sep 2017 #83

To your point, I think her lack of public visits to swing states killed her chances. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #87

yep dembotoz Sep 2017 #97

Good observations. Blue_true Sep 2017 #157

I'm beyond sick of this bullshit. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #85

One minor problem with that mythology Sep 2017 #86

As Al Sharpton once said sometimes you've got to slap the donkey BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #89

There were many things that "tanked" Hillary not just Bernie Sanders and his supporters Autumn Sep 2017 #90

Gerrymandering, voter suppression, Russian meddling, Comey etc tanked Hillary Arazi Sep 2017 #96

i think the summary word is "overdetermined" 0rganism Sep 2017 #114

Sounds good. Eko Sep 2017 #125

thanks, glad to have you on board 0rganism Sep 2017 #237

It's like trying to convince the red-state voters about Trump. You can't do it.They live in a world haveahart Sep 2017 #101

Yawn. n/t Still In Wisconsin Sep 2017 #118

Tankers I say! jalan48 Sep 2017 #124

Same old, same old Raine Sep 2017 #126

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #128

Oh for the love of Pete! Hillary won! It was the shit that the repugs threw gtar100 Sep 2017 #130

This is SOOOOOOOO helpful right now! Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #132

You know what, Eko Sep 2017 #140

What are you trying to accomplish? What's your goal? Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #150

Maybe I see a danger Eko Sep 2017 #154

Here's my post on the matter: joshcryer Sep 2017 #133

I agree. He did not work for her until like September, I think. Blue_true Sep 2017 #162

He was surrounded by sycophants. joshcryer Sep 2017 #201

The issue that I have with hot far left people like Sarandon, West, Turner. Blue_true Sep 2017 #203

Can we please just stop this already? Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #135

That would be nice. Eko Sep 2017 #144

Stop disrupting. denbot Sep 2017 #136

So post election is not important? Eko Sep 2017 #142

I've alerted on your OP and this reply denbot Sep 2017 #147

Ive already survived Eko Sep 2017 #151

I've alerted on this too. Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #152

I also liked the old system. Eko Sep 2017 #166

Not as a Bernie supporter, but as a Democratic Chair of my town Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #170

And this doesnt? Eko Sep 2017 #172

Is he still saying that? Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #173

He said it on june 9th. Eko Sep 2017 #174

Not him and two months ago Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #181

Was him. Eko Sep 2017 #183

I stand corrected Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #186

No problem. Eko Sep 2017 #188

Stop the Bernie bashing left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #138

Tell him to stop the Democratic party bashing. Eko Sep 2017 #141

I say, good day, sir left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #146

Why is this not a problem for you? Eko Sep 2017 #148

I wasn't aware Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #155

So Eko Sep 2017 #158

Sir? Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #160

I apologize, Eko Sep 2017 #164

Donovan left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #169

Im not mad at anyone. Eko Sep 2017 #171

Donovan song lyrics left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #175

I understood that it was Donovan lyrics. Eko Sep 2017 #176

They call Trump Mellow Yellow! (Especially in Russian hotel rooms!) Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #178

Good one ! left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #193

Bernie pulled his punches SethH Sep 2017 #156

And Sanders and his Eko Sep 2017 #159

"Sanders supporters on here said that she was pro killing little kids" ??? JoeOtterbein Sep 2017 #179

Yup, Eko Sep 2017 #180

I think we all at DU need to see it. I would add it if I just PM you anyway. JoeOtterbein Sep 2017 #182

Then that would be on you. Eko Sep 2017 #185

Just sent it to you. Eko Sep 2017 #187

See my post #177 above. It's true. VOX Sep 2017 #184

Good points. You can't navigate the future without understanding the past ecstatic Sep 2017 #191

If a "Saunders supporter" accused HRC of killing little kids, I think that you found a Russian troll mjvpi Sep 2017 #194

If I need to. Eko Sep 2017 #196

Millard Fillmore tanked John Fremont bronxiteforever Sep 2017 #195

And I have never forgiven the Whigs for that!!! QC Sep 2017 #262

how to G_j Sep 2017 #197

Thanks! Eko Sep 2017 #198

Trump lost the popular vote because Cruz, Jeb, and Rubio, criticized him during the primaries jg10003 Sep 2017 #207

Could be for a lot a reasons. Eko Sep 2017 #210

Oh give me a ing break. Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #208

I never said anything Eko Sep 2017 #211

And the circular firing squad continues. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #209

Clinton tanked Clinton... Baconator Sep 2017 #213

Awesome argument. Eko Sep 2017 #216

Not true though...if one looks at the facts surrounding the election....and those same forces are Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #221

Well after 200 posts most of it has already been said... Baconator Sep 2017 #227

The sooner we can can come to grips with this the sooner we can move forward. jalan48 Sep 2017 #230

Does this change anything in the here and present? nolabels Sep 2017 #226

Sanders was very easy on Hillary compared to Obama Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #251

Most Sanders supporters voted for Clinton. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #253

Who tanked who? dchill Sep 2017 #254

Hackers tanked Clinton get the red out Sep 2017 #256

"hackers tanked Clinton" heaven05 Sep 2017 #261

Yes get the red out Sep 2017 #265

Politics is compromise heaven05 Sep 2017 #267

every word heaven05 Sep 2017 #259