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karynnj

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240. He does caucus with us and historically such people are

Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:14 PM

Sep 2017

Considered eligible for leadership. Consider that if Jeffords and Sanders, at different times did NOT caucus with us, it would be harder to be in the majority.

Sanders chaired a committee, veterans, long before he ran for President and did a great job. I doubt you had any problem with him holding that position which his senority in the caucus gave him.

What changed? He ran for President and lost the nomination. Just like Clinton in 2008, he then travelled the country advocating for the nominee. Unlike Obama, Clinton lost.

I think Clinton absolutely did herself no favors blaming Sanders. First of all, ANY opponent would have questioned the paid talks with Goldman Sachs. O'Malley did in an early debate. Trump labeled ALL his opponents and it is no surprise he labeled Clinton. The label was based on memes that existed decades ago before anyone out of VT ever heard of Bernie.

I did see HRC said the speeches were a mistake and it was "dumb" to use a private server. Yet she misses that both of these things fed negative impressions. Bernie spoke of closeness to Wall Street, not dishonesty or corruption. It was not Bernie's words, but her actions.

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Sanders tanked Clinton. [View all] Eko Sep 2017 OP

It is strange that stating something like this about a non dem here will cause an uproar. boston bean Sep 2017 #1

I was here during the general election and this is a lie karynnj Sep 2017 #46

I was here during the general election and it's spot on.... stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #56

Correct rock Sep 2017 #93

Actually the rules were NOT suspended in the general election. If anything they were strengthened karynnj Sep 2017 #99

I'm reporting what I remember rock Sep 2017 #104

Anything negative about Bernie was also out of line. sarah FAILIN Sep 2017 #250

many, many trolls have heaven05 Sep 2017 #260

Yeah it is a lie. I was here the whole time. I have no idea what this person is talking about. SweetieD Sep 2017 #88

TRUE w/PROOF. From DU on 2/22/16 "Five Children Murdered After They Were Deported Back To Honduras" VOX Sep 2017 #177

I was warned about posting negative post against a Dem.. Stellar Sep 2017 #266

I was here during the general and a certain senator never officially dropped out until the conventio brush Sep 2017 #103

"Immediately out?" Look at the top of the page. Verify that you are referring to DU. NBachers Sep 2017 #255

In the primary, I agree there were likely more Bernie supporters, karynnj Sep 2017 #257

What's even more bizarre is the push back when one asks them to stop Cary Sep 2017 #69

I supported Bernie, but now it's time for him to go away and leave our party alone. nt Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #2

I AGREE. if he isn't gonna join the Democratic party, he should shut the hell up trueblue2007 Sep 2017 #10

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #95

Are you going to appeal to Schumer and have him demand that Bernie leave the leadership role karynnj Sep 2017 #102

I already have. Only those who are members of the Democratic Party should have leadership roles... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #223

How petty karynnj Sep 2017 #231

Why is it petty? A person who cannot commit to joining the Democratic Party should have Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #233

He does caucus with us and historically such people are karynnj Sep 2017 #240

How do you feel about Hillary stepping out of the limelight customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #202

It's time for us old codgers to step aside and let the next generation run the show. nt Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #205

Agreed customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #206

The party is almost two generations behind... Baconator Sep 2017 #214

I want to see...new candidates run. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #234

Would you prefer party coronations? Warpy Sep 2017 #3

Nowhere did I ever say that. Eko Sep 2017 #4

Which means you can't. Warpy Sep 2017 #5

The party owes an independent nothing. There are reasons for parties. boston bean Sep 2017 #6

The party said themselves that they don't believe voting to be all that necessary to the process... Baconator Sep 2017 #215

No, it means Eko Sep 2017 #8

Well written! JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #62

Usually the candidates who "slug it out" in the Democratic primaries are all Democrats oberliner Sep 2017 #30

Anyone remember the attacks flying back & forth between Hillary & Barack in 2012? InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #31

Yes, but the loser handled it very differently lapucelle Sep 2017 #131

Sanders technically stopped the count, too. joshcryer Sep 2017 #143

I remember Denver. lapucelle Sep 2017 #165

Actually, 2008 was extremely vicious. joshcryer Sep 2017 #139

I think Comey will definitely be in Clinton's book. delisen Sep 2017 #52

Blaming the press? Cary Sep 2017 #70

Yes, a coronation would have been preferable than Trump. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #73

You are assuming a coronation would have led to a victory over Trump karynnj Sep 2017 #105

I believe had their not been a primary, Trump would have lost. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #220

Would you prefer every loser to spend 8 weeks and 3 days not campaigning... joshcryer Sep 2017 #134

Yes better a coronation than Benedict Donald uponit7771 Sep 2017 #199

She literally faced Jack the Ripper in the general election Drahthaardogs Sep 2017 #270

the bad decisions came from many sides. I don't think it's fair to lay this before Sanders' feet. beachjustice Sep 2017 #7

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #9

I think its hightime to talk about the Eko Sep 2017 #11

I agree but any time I have the post is removed. The battle arthritisR_US Sep 2017 #14

No shit! leftofcool Sep 2017 #12

That's absurd melman Sep 2017 #13

All the cheerleaders thanking Bernie for making the sun rise is "bashing"? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #35

'All the cheerleaders thanking Bernie for making the sun rise' melman Sep 2017 #40

Eh, I don't have a star so I can't search the site, but-I'm sure you can do a search Ninsianna Sep 2017 #168

Google tip for any non-star members Bradical79 Sep 2017 #189

Thanks! Ninsianna Sep 2017 #200

Excellent reply JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #65

Yep. cwydro Sep 2017 #16

No they are not, I had a post removed yesterday that was perceived as anti-Clinton. Kentonio Sep 2017 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author karynnj Sep 2017 #47

That was a good post BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #60

I had two hidden... Baconator Sep 2017 #241

this is bullshit. Pay more attention. People on both sides say the same thing about who JCanete Sep 2017 #22

I have never alerted on anyone but the few times I've said arthritisR_US Sep 2017 #26

but look, if you can only speak from your experience, why make a bold statement JCanete Sep 2017 #28

Just on a jury for this post. Kingofalldems Sep 2017 #72

good. Its a dumb claim, but it may as well stay to be soundly refuted. nt JCanete Sep 2017 #242

not my experience. the opposite in fact garybeck Sep 2017 #112

We share the same experience albeit on opposite poles. It worries arthritisR_US Sep 2017 #113

FFS, this is total 100% bullshit! n/t USALiberal Sep 2017 #153

Sorry, but on some issues it IS wrong. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2017 #15

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #17

People here said Hillary was killing little kids? leftstreet Sep 2017 #18

That's a common Right Wing disinformation point, and the folks who Ninsianna Sep 2017 #36

Got a link to those archives you have seen that people keep talking about? Autumn Sep 2017 #92

. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #106

Much of DU was always aginst cluster bombs and war . Discussion on Hillary's votes Autumn Sep 2017 #109

Understood. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #110

Nope. You've been here longer than I have, is it that difficult to figure out how to search Ninsianna Sep 2017 #122

Already looked. Much of DU has always been anti war and anti cluster bombs way back to Autumn Sep 2017 #123

But blaming that on Hillary Clinton is very much a right wing thing. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #167

Hillary, like all Senaters was responsible for her own votes on cluster bombs and the IWR. Autumn Sep 2017 #190

Yes, EVERY senator is responsible for his or her votes, but if we're going to accuse Ninsianna Sep 2017 #204

Here's what I do know, I know for a fact that many of those people who were against Autumn Sep 2017 #218

I hear she won them over. SMC22307 Sep 2017 #252

Remember how nasty the 08 primary got? I'm not in Hawaii so hi. Most of the names are the same. Autumn Sep 2017 #258

Any way the wind blows... SMC22307 Sep 2017 #269

Anyway at all. Autumn Sep 2017 #271

Mahalo! QC Sep 2017 #263

... SMC22307 Sep 2017 #268

I've teased people spreading anti-Hillary fake news and the reply was: betsuni Sep 2017 #53

Yeah, me too. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #161

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #19

There is a difference between a Democrat saying and someone attacking from the outside, Ninsianna Sep 2017 #37

Synopsis of your link JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #67

Don't waste any time. It's a "video" of the theme song for the governing party of East Germany... George II Sep 2017 #94

Thanks JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #111

Looks like it's been deleted! I missed it (thankfully). Must have been a TROLL... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #115

I forget who it was, but it was a back hand slap at Democrats. George II Sep 2017 #116

Definitely a troll. Maybe MIRT got him/her. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #117

Agreed, and thanks for saying this. I see it often R B Garr Sep 2017 #20

? I never heard it, as a sanders supporter, listening to sanders supporters. I have no idea JCanete Sep 2017 #21

I certainly do BainsBane Sep 2017 #23

yes, I almost spoke for the supposed "real" democrats who would say something similar. So you agree JCanete Sep 2017 #25

Replacing primaries with caucuses is disenfranchisement BainsBane Sep 2017 #32

I know that minority voters are primarily democratic as opposed to Republican. Do you know what the JCanete Sep 2017 #44

Caucuses disenfranchise BainsBane Sep 2017 #249

the Gitmo issue is interesting JI7 Sep 2017 #29

4 votes against closing it BainsBane Sep 2017 #33

But those votes weren't about "closing gitmo" - they were about importing gitmo to Illinois. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #192

Relocating the prisoners and closing the camp are the same thing BainsBane Sep 2017 #212

What? No. Relocating prisoners under the same conditions, theoretically, is not the same thing as JCanete Sep 2017 #217

rights are determined by courts BainsBane Sep 2017 #248

you need to point to the specific points. that New Yorker article is impressive, but if you have a JCanete Sep 2017 #264

One fellow that you may know well insisted that Clinton would be indicted for email Cary Sep 2017 #74

It isn't specific enough. Who was it? Also, that isn't somebody I well know saying he was in favor JCanete Sep 2017 #119

I have zero interest in anything "being hung around the necks of Sanders supporters." Cary Sep 2017 #120

If you believe the Democratic Party is wrong on an issue then lobby to attempt to fix it. democratisphere Sep 2017 #24

Honestly askyagerz Sep 2017 #27

Well said... the time is WAYYY overdue for folks to move on. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #38

I supported Bernie bluestateboomer Sep 2017 #34

I'm close to this position Jarqui Sep 2017 #63

I agree with this. alarimer Sep 2017 #84

And I wonder if your reluctance to support Sec. Clinton influenced others to not support her. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #219

When Bernie lost, I dropped out of sight for many weeks. Jarqui Sep 2017 #228

I don't mean here ...I saw folks on various forums...say awful things about Hillary...or Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #229

I was so disillusioned, I looked around Jarqui Sep 2017 #235

At least in the end you voted for decency...many didn't . And I condemn everyone of them...and wish Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #236

If Trump doesn't get us all killed or ruin too many lives, Jarqui Sep 2017 #239

Even now with Trump, you can not be entirely behind a Clinton victory that is sad...personally, Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #232

As I felt then, I'd be very relieved if Hillary was president over Trump Jarqui Sep 2017 #238

Nope - never heard/read anything about HRC like that. ihaveaquestion Sep 2017 #39

Me neither... seems rather odd. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #163

Oh give me a break. Kentonio Sep 2017 #41

It was clear to me that he was going to. ucrdem Sep 2017 #43

I thought it was Comey that tanked Clinton. jalan48 Sep 2017 #45

Comey and her poor handling of her email and the email issue karynnj Sep 2017 #48

I've said that before about the emails- other people failed her Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #55

Note that she kept that same team which made these decisions karynnj Sep 2017 #98

It wasn't just Comey. The bitterness during the general was horrifying. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #75

Don't forget the Russians. Lots to blame there as well. jalan48 Sep 2017 #80

absolutely. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #91

And I Disagree! ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #49

I will never forgive him n/t kcr Sep 2017 #50

Nor will I. calimary Sep 2017 #129

He should have united after getting stuff in the platform. Blue_true Sep 2017 #137

Yes. It became about Berne Sanders. He felt entitled and angry when he didn't get it. kcr Sep 2017 #222

BS shanny Sep 2017 #51

K&R betsuni Sep 2017 #54

K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #57

The beatings will continue till morale improves ornotna Sep 2017 #58

Oh, BS! DiverDave Sep 2017 #59

"NOTHING ELSE"??? NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #121

2016 is over. Past. Can't be changed. Vinca Sep 2017 #61

In my state Clinton tanked Clinton dembotoz Sep 2017 #64

I witnessed minorities being attacked by some Sander's supporters. Here. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #66

I did too mcar Sep 2017 #79

Yes, dammit. Hekate Sep 2017 #108

Over on the crazy site minorities are attacked on the regular. joshcryer Sep 2017 #145

Bernie was 100% accurate in his descriptions of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party DemocraticWing Sep 2017 #68

Why then are you here? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #76

Are you the gatekeeper? melman Sep 2017 #107

His Our Revolution wants to primary Dems who aren't "pure" mcar Sep 2017 #71

Yes this is why I say it is not over...the same folks who tanked the general in 16 may do it again Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #78

46% of people didn't vote. Blue_true Sep 2017 #149

There is a mix of conservatives and progressives who don't vote...many live in red or blue states Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #224

The far left bomb throwers have safe situations. Blue_true Sep 2017 #243

Yes they do..they are the entitled and the privileged mostly. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #247

Bullshit. alarimer Sep 2017 #77

A 'robust' primary system can damage the winning candidate...and it costs money and time. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

The people. Blue_true Sep 2017 #245

Yes I did read it...and you are right...we had a primary and an election. We lost Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #246

Then get the hell out and form your own party. nt Blue_true Sep 2017 #244

Oh STOP it with this fucking shit. NO one gets a blank check. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #82

+1 KTM Sep 2017 #100

Yes, exactly! nt Raine Sep 2017 #127

' A seat at the table' can be defined as 'my way or the highway'...and yes if you are Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #225

what keeps getting lost is hrc was the ideal candidate for trump to run against dembotoz Sep 2017 #83

To your point, I think her lack of public visits to swing states killed her chances. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #87

yep dembotoz Sep 2017 #97

Good observations. Blue_true Sep 2017 #157

I'm beyond sick of this bullshit. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #85

One minor problem with that mythology Sep 2017 #86

As Al Sharpton once said sometimes you've got to slap the donkey BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #89

There were many things that "tanked" Hillary not just Bernie Sanders and his supporters Autumn Sep 2017 #90

Gerrymandering, voter suppression, Russian meddling, Comey etc tanked Hillary Arazi Sep 2017 #96

i think the summary word is "overdetermined" 0rganism Sep 2017 #114

Sounds good. Eko Sep 2017 #125

thanks, glad to have you on board 0rganism Sep 2017 #237

It's like trying to convince the red-state voters about Trump. You can't do it.They live in a world haveahart Sep 2017 #101

Yawn. n/t Still In Wisconsin Sep 2017 #118

Tankers I say! jalan48 Sep 2017 #124

Same old, same old Raine Sep 2017 #126

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #128

Oh for the love of Pete! Hillary won! It was the shit that the repugs threw gtar100 Sep 2017 #130

This is SOOOOOOOO helpful right now! Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #132

You know what, Eko Sep 2017 #140

What are you trying to accomplish? What's your goal? Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #150

Maybe I see a danger Eko Sep 2017 #154

Here's my post on the matter: joshcryer Sep 2017 #133

I agree. He did not work for her until like September, I think. Blue_true Sep 2017 #162

He was surrounded by sycophants. joshcryer Sep 2017 #201

The issue that I have with hot far left people like Sarandon, West, Turner. Blue_true Sep 2017 #203

Can we please just stop this already? Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #135

That would be nice. Eko Sep 2017 #144

Stop disrupting. denbot Sep 2017 #136

So post election is not important? Eko Sep 2017 #142

I've alerted on your OP and this reply denbot Sep 2017 #147

Ive already survived Eko Sep 2017 #151

I've alerted on this too. Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #152

I also liked the old system. Eko Sep 2017 #166

Not as a Bernie supporter, but as a Democratic Chair of my town Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #170

And this doesnt? Eko Sep 2017 #172

Is he still saying that? Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #173

He said it on june 9th. Eko Sep 2017 #174

Not him and two months ago Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #181

Was him. Eko Sep 2017 #183

I stand corrected Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #186

No problem. Eko Sep 2017 #188

Stop the Bernie bashing left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #138

Tell him to stop the Democratic party bashing. Eko Sep 2017 #141

I say, good day, sir left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #146

Why is this not a problem for you? Eko Sep 2017 #148

I wasn't aware Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #155

So Eko Sep 2017 #158

Sir? Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #160

I apologize, Eko Sep 2017 #164

Donovan left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #169

Im not mad at anyone. Eko Sep 2017 #171

Donovan song lyrics left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #175

I understood that it was Donovan lyrics. Eko Sep 2017 #176

They call Trump Mellow Yellow! (Especially in Russian hotel rooms!) Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #178

Good one ! left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #193

Bernie pulled his punches SethH Sep 2017 #156

And Sanders and his Eko Sep 2017 #159

"Sanders supporters on here said that she was pro killing little kids" ??? JoeOtterbein Sep 2017 #179

Yup, Eko Sep 2017 #180

I think we all at DU need to see it. I would add it if I just PM you anyway. JoeOtterbein Sep 2017 #182

Then that would be on you. Eko Sep 2017 #185

Just sent it to you. Eko Sep 2017 #187

See my post #177 above. It's true. VOX Sep 2017 #184

Good points. You can't navigate the future without understanding the past ecstatic Sep 2017 #191

If a "Saunders supporter" accused HRC of killing little kids, I think that you found a Russian troll mjvpi Sep 2017 #194

If I need to. Eko Sep 2017 #196

Millard Fillmore tanked John Fremont bronxiteforever Sep 2017 #195

And I have never forgiven the Whigs for that!!! QC Sep 2017 #262

how to G_j Sep 2017 #197

Thanks! Eko Sep 2017 #198

Trump lost the popular vote because Cruz, Jeb, and Rubio, criticized him during the primaries jg10003 Sep 2017 #207

Could be for a lot a reasons. Eko Sep 2017 #210

Oh give me a ing break. Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #208

I never said anything Eko Sep 2017 #211

And the circular firing squad continues. nt Susan Calvin Sep 2017 #209

Clinton tanked Clinton... Baconator Sep 2017 #213

Awesome argument. Eko Sep 2017 #216

Not true though...if one looks at the facts surrounding the election....and those same forces are Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #221

Well after 200 posts most of it has already been said... Baconator Sep 2017 #227

The sooner we can can come to grips with this the sooner we can move forward. jalan48 Sep 2017 #230

Does this change anything in the here and present? nolabels Sep 2017 #226

Sanders was very easy on Hillary compared to Obama Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #251

Most Sanders supporters voted for Clinton. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #253

Who tanked who? dchill Sep 2017 #254

Hackers tanked Clinton get the red out Sep 2017 #256

"hackers tanked Clinton" heaven05 Sep 2017 #261

Yes get the red out Sep 2017 #265

Politics is compromise heaven05 Sep 2017 #267

every word heaven05 Sep 2017 #259