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24. And now Baucus says we need single payer

Sat Sep 9, 2017, 11:56 PM

Sep 2017

Sep 8 2017, 9:28 pm ET
Affordable Care Act Architect Flips on Single-Payer: ‘The Time Has Come’

by Alex Seitz-Wald

WASHINGTON — In the summer of 2009, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. was asked if Max Baucus, the Democratic chairman of the powerful Senate Finance Committee who was taking the lead on health care reform at the time, was open to his ideas.

"To a single-payer idea? No. Not in a million years," Sanders replied to a C-SPAN interviewer.

It turns out the wait was much shorter.

"I just think the time has come," Baucus told NBC News Friday, after stunning healthcare observers earlier in the day by seemingly coming around on single-payer at a public forum. "Back in '09, we were not ready to address it. It would never have passed. Here we are nine years later, I think it's time to hopefully have a very serious good faith look at it."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sanders-steps-push-single-payer-health-care-old-foe-switches-n799911

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"The current model and strategy of the Sanders wing of the Democratic party is an absolute failure." [View all] Eko Sep 2017 OP

Yeah, you posted this already! Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #1

thanks for replying Eko Sep 2017 #2

If You Did I Didn't See It Me. Sep 2017 #3

Thanks Me! Eko Sep 2017 #5

That is an utterly pedantic argument mythology Sep 2017 #10

If reversing the argument is not substantially changing it Eko Sep 2017 #14

I see this fight at DU. mjvpi Sep 2017 #4

Nope, Eko Sep 2017 #6

I believe that the quotes Saunders quotes that you are using mjvpi Sep 2017 #9

There is a lot here to unpack. Eko Sep 2017 #11

What I don't get is that *we didn't lose!* The election was stolen from us. gtar100 Sep 2017 #7

Well, Eko Sep 2017 #8

Now that I've discovered it RandomAccess Sep 2017 #12

No problems Eko Sep 2017 #15

No flames from me lunamagica Sep 2017 #13

Thanks! Eko Sep 2017 #16

Blaming others and not accepting responsibility for your own shortcomings and failures. democratisphere Sep 2017 #17

Blaming others for what? Eko Sep 2017 #18

Sanders blames the Democratic Party for his loss in the primaries. democratisphere Sep 2017 #20

You are going to write this with a straight face after the last election? m-lekktor Sep 2017 #19

Nor was that the "Sanders wing" that led to a 900 seat loss and a Fascist takeover. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #21

And now Baucus says we need single payer leftstreet Sep 2017 #24

FAT LOT OF GOOD THAT DOES US NOW, MAX!!! HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #25

He KNEW he could NOT get 60 votes for either of those plans karynnj Sep 2017 #55

And I reiterate - THAT. SHOULD. NOT. BE. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #56

Let's say Bernie were the chair of the Finance committee that he has never sat on in 2009 karynnj Sep 2017 #57

Except Single Payer wasn't what was being voted on. It was multi-payer. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #58

If YOU were the chair of Finance or the majority leader karynnj Sep 2017 #62

+1 leftstreet Sep 2017 #23

Keep fighting that primary! Iggo Sep 2017 #22

Yeah, "business as usual" has been such a great selling point Warpy Sep 2017 #26

The Trump administration is an absolute failure. dchill Sep 2017 #27

Let's move on from bashing Bernie left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #28

That sounds very much like murielm99 Sep 2017 #30

My post didn't come close to mentioning Hillary left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #31

I didn't say you mentioned Hillary. murielm99 Sep 2017 #33

All I said is "let's move on" left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #44

Did Bernie blame Hillary for losing the primary? angstlessk Sep 2017 #37

Correct. However... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #43

If Bernie can move on from unfairly bashing democratic party YCHDT Sep 2017 #41

And apart from the Primary zentrum Sep 2017 #29

Bernie wins his elections murielm99 Sep 2017 #32

amendment king clu Sep 2017 #34

lol. n/t seaglass Sep 2017 #40

yes i re-read the link after posting clu Sep 2017 #45

We agree on one thing. zentrum Sep 2017 #35

There are the outs and there are the establishment types. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #36

+1 clu Sep 2017 #46

Ok. Eko Sep 2017 #48

I appreciate your addressing what I actually wrote. Here are my responses. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #49

HaHa Eko Sep 2017 #50

Pardon me, but would you explain your laughing? I guess I'm too dense. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #51

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #38

If he'd won the primary and lost to Trump he'd be saying the same thing. ucrdem Sep 2017 #39

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #42

Sanders doesn't own a wing of the Democratic Party. He's not a Democrat, nor does he pretend to be. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #47

Great description. Thank you. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #59

Dems lost to trump because the public is dumb. The public wanted "change" and entertainment The_Casual_Observer Sep 2017 #52

This bullshit is getting tiresome and on top of that, no one is listening to you. phleshdef Sep 2017 #53

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... QC Sep 2017 #60

You literally told people to, "Flame on." theaocp Sep 2017 #61