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In reply to the discussion: So...what exactly counts as "bashing the party" or "attacking Democrats" these days? [View all]NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)109. Round and round and round we go. Wheeee!
When I asked why you didn't follow me from thread to thread you made the comment about correcting "false" things. It was obvioud you were accusing me of saying false things.
I have no idea what you're trying to say. These two sentences together make no sense to me.
And I've never defended Stein voters-not ONCE. I've simply said it was pointless to keep attacking them since doing that can't change anything.
Sorry, young man. That's the VERY DEFINITION of defending them.
They were wrong to vote Stein and I spent a lot of time trying to persuade them not to.
Then why are you so suddenly concerned about their feelings now?
As to JPR, it's been implied on several occasions that I'm somehow in with them.
Okay. I can believe that. Implied on several occasions BY WHOM? Me? Of course not. You know it, I know it. So it defies any rational explanation why you'd continually (and I do mean continually) pretend that I've accused you of such things.
Why do it? It's irrelevant. It's false. It's dishonest to pretend (on any level) that I've made such accusations. You need to stop. (See? This is why people can't trust you or take you at your word. THIS IS WHY. Take some advice from an "old lady"... you're not wining any merit badges for truthfulness or honesty by playing these types of games.)
I've got nothing in common with what I've heard secondhand that they say or do and I totally reject their tactics. Isn't that enough?
Good for you! Whoop dee doo! That's great. However, defending yourself against NON EXISTENT accusations isn't the way to "prove" your worthiness. It just makes people shake their heads and question every thing else you have to say. So... why do it? What good purpose does it serve?
You used the term "new voters". That has to mean, in part, people who didn't vote last time. It can't only mean people who weren't eligible to vote last time. I don't defend people who didn't vote Hillary. It's just that I don't believe we can convert them by lashing out at them for how 2016 turned out. Isn't what matters getting more people to vote for us?
You're talking in circles. This makes no sense.
And I've never said we should change everything in the party.
False defense against a NON-EXISTENT accusation. Nobody has accused you of ever having said that. Never. Ever.
And I proved I wasn't intentionally comparing the party to East German Stalinists-I admitted I made an insensitive, stupid mistake. I agreed I shouldn't have posted anything that even looked like that comparison was being made. I admitted it was wrong from the start...We all make mistakes.
No, you proved nothing of the sort. Yes, you apologized... but only halfheartedly and grudgingly, and only after first deflecting and blaming OTHERS for not being smart enough to "get you" or to understand the failed "joke".
I wasn't "boasting" in any thing I said-I was denying false accusations.
No, it's right there for the world to see. You were boasting about how you never did all these horrible things, that you're now half-way admitting to when pushed and challenged.
BTW, I didn't claim I'd never said anything IN THE PAST that was over the line. But I've stopped that and changed how I communicate. I don't have to repudiate every idea I supported in 2016 to prove that.
Yes you did. Anyone who cares to check can go back and read the transcript.
And it's absurd to act like I somehow persecuted Hillary or silenced her supporters in observing that I couldn't thought it was illadivised for her to put that one part in...but that's just me expressing an opinion. My saying that wasn't going to actually affect anything and I was simply commenting on something that had already happened.
We've been though this before. And now we're just talking in circles. My responses remain the same.
Namely: You didn't and couldn't LITERALLY silence her... but your efforts to silence and squelch discussion about what she has to say have been noted. I'm not the only one who's noticed and I'm not the only one who's called you out on this. It's futile for you to deny it. These are things that you have done and have said. Ask anyone!
Your responses and attitudes toward her have been very dismissive and disrespectful... especially in recent days. The things you're now saying (with regard to her speaking out and her new book) are in COMPLETE CONTRAST to your boasts about how much you "admire" or "respect" Hillary.
As I've said, we've talked about this before and I can only remind you that simply re-wording your question (or your excuses) won't change the facts and won't change my response.
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So...what exactly counts as "bashing the party" or "attacking Democrats" these days? [View all]
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
OP
Let's call those who want radical changes radicals. We all want to improve everything politically,
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#34
The problem is that NO Republicans want to create a truly representative government.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#55
NO. The problem of this discussion is those on the farther left who feel that way.
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#59
You haven't been here long, but I already expected you to twist and disagree.
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#68
There is a very real disconnect in your presentation and the real world. There is no common ground
JCanete
Sep 2017
#54
I don't have a website and I didn't block you. I truly want to hear what you have to say on this.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#11
The message of the primary is not a rejection of all of the ideas of Bernie's campaign
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#86
Keith isn't saying that those ideas must be given up on. He didn't repudiate them himself.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#92
The fact that you believe that doesn't obligate me to stop posting in support of those ideas.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#96
I make no false claims/distortions. I don't lie. And I'm not in any "Stein faction".
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#100
Stop splitting hairs and playing word games. You're not helping your cause at all....
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#105
Actually no. In the last few days, virtually any critique of anything the party does
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#24
And when I sent you that private message, I simply hadn't seen the sign that you didn't respond
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#33
More accurately, you haven't admitted that you've posted things bashing the party
mythology
Sep 2017
#46
I only did that because I didn't want to break my commitment not to respond in the thread.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#61
I didn't block you, nor do I have a website. I'll look and see what happened.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#12
I'm saying that people should respond on the merits of ideas-of ANYONE's ideas.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#111
I've done a number of posts saying he neede to take a stronger antiracist stand in public
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#45
I do attack the right. It's just that 2016 proved that we can't win by attacking the Right.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#29
I'll expand on it, then. I base my analysis on the fact that, in the 2016 campaign,
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#47
I wholly agree with you that there is no economic justice without civil rights
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#129
I think the line should be drawn between constructive criticism and scorched-earth criticism.
Willie Pep
Sep 2017
#66
Since when is a particular independent the only person who is qualified to speak on progressive
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#94
I never argued that Bernie was the only person who could speak on progressive principles.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#97
I'm not concerned about Bernie as much as I am about winning over his supporters.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#114
The problem is that Bernie himself is making it harder to connect with his supporters,
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#115
There were threads here with titles like "the voters will never elect a socialist Jew".
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#113
An attack would be like when the (far) left wing of the party went after Kamala Harris.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#101
bold faced lies about the DNC is not "open discussion" and neither are half truth when it comes
uponit7771
Sep 2017
#116
How about posting an out of context comment and insinuating the worst betrayal?
Hekate
Sep 2017
#127