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Afromania

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Mon Sep 11, 2017, 01:43 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Mon Sep 11, 2017, 09:11 PM - Edit history (3)

They contniously vote for people that covertly, and more recently openly, use a platform that leverages white voter fear of brown and black people for their votes. I'm sure there are republicans that have decided to hold their noses single issue voters. There is even a chance they are the kind of people we don't even need to write off. However, the cut off on forgiveness for these type of republican voters was their support for trump. Once that vote was cast any easy reconciliation in the near future is an afterthought.

trump did not under any pretenses hide what he was about, what his platform was about, and what he intended to do when he got in office. His voters had better than a year and a half of him being utterly awful in the public eye to figure it out. They had years and years of back story on how much of a little crumb this man was to identify who and what he is. At no point did they stop and walk away from this guy. They let their white privilege act as a shield from his words. It allowed them the singular ability to discount his rhetoric as "just talk". Subconsciously they understood that most of what he was planning wasn't going to affect them immediately and consciously understood that what trump wanted to do would hurt objectively hurt "others". Before the "what about the black and brown people that voted for him" statement showup in responses I'll say this. I have even less for them than the "normal" trump voter. They ought to know better at this what the fallout was going to be. These are people either too willfully ignorant to fully understand the folly of their ways or felt they have enough of a "buffer" between "their-selves" and "the rest of us" for the shit to hit them as well. There have always been those that will sell out their own in order to get a preferred seat at the scraps table. Minority trump voters in any capacity are no different.

In any case, back to my original point. If you voted for trump in the last election you failed the test for being a reasonable person. Without deep and sincere apologies I will never believe a single one of these people. They ignored every single crystal clear indicator this guy was a complete garbage scow. Even now as he blunders around making the country worse every day with his republican cohort. His supports hold on for dear life, even the ones allegedly disavowing him. trump has embarrassed us in ways that the country may never recover from and STILL only 1 out of every 10 trump voters say they don't support him. Now mind you, it's not that they don't support republican fuckery or trumps stupid ass policies. Only that they don't "actively" support trump anymore. What makes anybody think these people can be trust worthy allies is be yond me. Do you really think they won't vote for another republican the first chance they get. One that can keep the dog whistle rhetoric to a minimum whilst clearly indicating that he or she will continue the republican platform's dirty work of white nationalism. I garuntee they will asap and the same Democratic votersso eager to embrace them will also find themselves stabbed in the back.

It goes without saying that I don't trust trump voters or former trump voters. By voting and continuing their support for him, even tacitly. They have discounted any support they could potentially lend to the Democratic party in the future. I understand it's hard for some Democrats to reconcile that their favorite aunt, brother, parents, cousin or best friends have done something truly horrible with their support for this guy. I am sorry you guys are going through this but similarly you should be empathetic that their vote is hitting home for your black and brown, sisters and brothers, in arms right now. Meanwhile these same trump voters who claim to not support him anymore are only doing so in the most tentative and excuse riddled words possible.

Last I looked 88% said they would vote for Trump again dalton99a Sep 2017 #1
Yep. ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #13
And that's just the 12% who aren't still pretending not to have made a terrible error. Orsino Sep 2017 #36
Exactly. I think you're right... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #40
And what might that agenda be? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2017 #157
Trump has been hitting them over the head for us. Orsino Sep 2017 #160
I've seen this appeal to know and understand these people my whole life Johonny Sep 2017 #45
Agreed dalton99a Sep 2017 #48
Nailed it. Agreed. VOX Sep 2017 #73
Exactly! Precisely why these fucks ARE a lost cause. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #151
Thank you! JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #162
But not all (100%) of the 88% voted for Trump in the primaries. no_hypocrisy Sep 2017 #71
If Trump got 88% of his supporters the next time he'd lose. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #100
88% who *admit* voting for 45 would do it again. MarvinGardens Sep 2017 #126
Considering that W was 90+ among Republicans NewJeffCT Sep 2017 #159
I encourage you to read the following essay. It speaks directly to your premise. Ninga Sep 2017 #2
Let me point out the obvious! atreides1 Sep 2017 #3
That's kind of my point... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #9
we better hope not. Calista241 Sep 2017 #4
they voted for a man who was an admitted sexual predator... samnsara Sep 2017 #5
Excuse Me? Me. Sep 2017 #6
I totally agree, me. brer cat Sep 2017 #77
It's The Old "Believe Someone When They Tell you Who They Are" Me. Sep 2017 #86
There you have it Achilleaze Sep 2017 #7
Stealing that. N/T. Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #15
Of course the goal is to keep shitting on Democrats instead BainsBane Sep 2017 #8
I agree with just about ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #11
Okay, but what makes you think everyone else chastises Republicans? BainsBane Sep 2017 #20
I think you're right. And I... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #29
I hope you're right BainsBane Sep 2017 #98
That always happens with every GOP POTUS True_Blue Sep 2017 #133
That is not what you have observed. That is what you have interpreted. There is a whole range JCanete Sep 2017 #41
disagreeing about politician's opinions of media personalities clu Sep 2017 #44
Daring to criticize media personalities BainsBane Sep 2017 #60
++++++++ JHan Sep 2017 #96
★★★★★ A FIVE-STAR REPLY! ★★★★★ NurseJackie Sep 2017 #97
This! True_Blue Sep 2017 #129
Whatever. I'm sick of this topic. Have you forgotten "Lock her up!"? WinkyDink Sep 2017 #10
Yes MFM008 Sep 2017 #14
I dissent! sofa king Sep 2017 #12
But every time you say it ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #17
I think that's where we diverge. sofa king Sep 2017 #24
That's a rare person, I think, ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #38
been there done that mercuryblues Sep 2017 #69
So you are saying HRC campaigned without such arguments, without "logic and grace"? GTHO. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #106
How the hell did you twist ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #109
"I think more respond to....." "Lock her up!" Yeah, reachable. Not arf. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #112
All you're doing is flinging shit. Youve ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #119
You have to decide at some point or another in your life xajj4791 Sep 2017 #140
Okay, fine. (BTW**, we don't have either a number or style post restriction. I like pithy.) Answer WinkyDink Sep 2017 #141
It doesn't matter whether they... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #150
Oh, please. They are not little lambs who have gone astray. Knock it the hell OFF. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #105
You are a voice of reason around here finally. FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #16
Agreed. You live near me... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #21
I'm in Fort Walton Beach, FL FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #25
Or simply a strong bias. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #54
Clinton made lucid arguments BainsBane Sep 2017 #27
Agreed on Clinton's poise... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #32
Well that is exactly it BainsBane Sep 2017 #67
Brava! KitSileya Sep 2017 #70
Outstanding! nt brer cat Sep 2017 #79
Well said. n/t xajj4791 Sep 2017 #144
No, it's you who is trying to rationalize pretending their votes aren't moronic- I get that you'd bettyellen Sep 2017 #135
On the contrary, xajj4791 Sep 2017 #142
Election data proves your claim wrong BainsBane Sep 2017 #23
+1 MLAA Sep 2017 #26
I haven't seen any surveys that showed that FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #30
Here is one of them BainsBane Sep 2017 #58
Are they all unemployed ? What jobs are they expecting? Are they currently in school or training ? lunasun Sep 2017 #158
Again. Statistically the majority may ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #35
And that includes the millions of disenfrachised voters BainsBane Sep 2017 #62
We should focus on xajj4791 Sep 2017 #145
Hint: Thuggish ignorance. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #107
I agree and I wish you support... Locrian Sep 2017 #18
Couldn't have said it better. Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #22
+1 FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #52
Fuck 'em. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #19
Yep. maveric Sep 2017 #53
Succinct and perfect. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #108
They can find their way to the Democratic Party. Caliman73 Sep 2017 #28
OK. What, exactly are you going say to Trump voters to win them back that hasn't already been said? Girard442 Sep 2017 #31
All of the above and more... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #37
thanks for sharing clu Sep 2017 #46
Whatever we say to Trump voters... Girard442 Sep 2017 #51
Their response? Stuffing fingers in ears, "LALALA FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS!" hatrack Sep 2017 #99
Well said. No one is convinced of anything by being called a name. eom guillaumeb Sep 2017 #33
Oh, you mean like "libtards"? "Killary"? "Demonrats"? WinkyDink Sep 2017 #110
Yes, those also. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #117
Missing my point, which is a riposte to the "reach out" OP. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #138
My 2 cents MLAA Sep 2017 #34
Attack Trump all you want. I do. But... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #49
If someone had the goal of making me feel shamed and stupid renate Sep 2017 #39
Great insight. Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #43
thanks for sharing clu Sep 2017 #50
Exactly what argument NOT made by HRC do you think would both accord with WinkyDink Sep 2017 #139
It's a two way street. Are they making any real effort to learn about their fellow man? ck4829 Sep 2017 #42
Some woke up only because Trump wanted to kill their Obamacare dalton99a Sep 2017 #47
+++++ JHan Sep 2017 #55
Trumps' was nothing more than successful commercial branding for the lowest common denominators. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #56
When did donald... tonedevil Sep 2017 #57
I do not give a fuck if they are sorry for voting him. Doreen Sep 2017 #59
So how would you go about ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #66
I will wait until the next elections come up and Doreen Sep 2017 #68
The ones in my proximity know what I'm about. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #131
If they really regretted what they did xajj4791 Sep 2017 #147
The casual Trump voter left him long ago RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #61
"We have to STOP shitting on republican voters" Bullshit! If anyone has done any shitting here... jcmaine72 Sep 2017 #63
Are many of Trumps voters still doing harm to people of color? Stellar Sep 2017 #64
nope Afromania Sep 2017 #65
Trump voters may not be a lost cause Progressive dog Sep 2017 #72
Why would you excuse people who are willing to let minorities be killed? KitSileya Sep 2017 #74
Because they see those issues... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #87
You actually began with "Because." Amazing. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #113
Until they broaden their media choices, they are out of touch and out of reach. VOX Sep 2017 #75
I'll leave the missionary stuff to you Cary Sep 2017 #76
They willingly voted for a labor-stiffing admitted serial sexual assaulter . . . HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #78
These are flighty voters, they want candy and bling, and they want it now. procon Sep 2017 #80
Many voters are not doctrinaire party members who buy the whole package andym Sep 2017 #81
Agreed we shouldn't shame the voter, (counterproductive), but should tar mahina Sep 2017 #82
"The whole party" is, um, VOTERS for TRUMP. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #114
And Pence, and Rubio, and Ryan, and McConnell, and that Nunes dolt, and Issa, and every other mahina Sep 2017 #136
Instead of telling us not to shit on Republican Voters maxrandb Sep 2017 #83
because such criticism falls upon deaf ears clu Sep 2017 #85
They are if they're still supporting him nini Sep 2017 #84
I've made just that distinction ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #88
and the excusing continues... xajj4791 Sep 2017 #148
I live in a purple state and I agree Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #89
Me neither. Haven't met one of those. n/t Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #124
OMG I totally lost track of time! Is it HUG-A-DEPLORABLE DAY again already? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #90
Nicely put. (nt) Paladin Sep 2017 #91
. jcmaine72 Sep 2017 #101
The days are ever so frequent lately! Does Hallmark know? WinkyDink Sep 2017 #115
If you're not acute enough to discern which of Trump or Clinton is the better candidate rock Sep 2017 #92
Disagree 100%. johnp3907 Sep 2017 #93
You know, there was a time Bettie Sep 2017 #94
Bigots 'n Pigs moondust Sep 2017 #95
Right, regardless of the Nay-sayers. elleng Sep 2017 #102
I agree. Even if it's only 12% we've GOT to figure out... LAS14 Sep 2017 #103
How come someone has to have ALREADY regretted... LAS14 Sep 2017 #104
"I grab them by the pussy, and when you're rich they just let you do it". onecaliberal Sep 2017 #111
Not "okay". NONE of the republicans ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #123
That is NOT locker room talk is it describing SEXUAL ASSAULT. I don't care what they onecaliberal Sep 2017 #127
Yeah, diligent church attending locker room talkers. n/t sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #132
The problem is: I'm kind of a dick, too Nevernose Sep 2017 #116
I'm a dick too. It's a struggle... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #120
It is UP TO THEM to regain our respect ThoughtCriminal Sep 2017 #118
Not ALL of them have insulted and ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #121
The next time I meet an exception ThoughtCriminal Sep 2017 #122
NO xajj4791 Sep 2017 #149
Totally agree. hamsterjill Sep 2017 #161
who the fuck is shitting on Republicans ? it's Republicans in Missouri who voted against Funding for JI7 Sep 2017 #125
Fuck Them, they are Bigots who Cheer on Kids and parents being separated and deported , they cheer JI7 Sep 2017 #128
I will not spend one second of the next two election cycles trying to "win over Trump voters" that TeamPooka Sep 2017 #130
Whether we agree with it or not democrank Sep 2017 #134
You know what? It's called Social Security, Medicare, the 40-hr week, Unemployment Compensation, WinkyDink Sep 2017 #143
The focus should be on people who DIDN'T go to the polls CakeGrrl Sep 2017 #137
Agreed on GOTV, ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #153
Not gonna stop. Are_grits_groceries Sep 2017 #146
I think that's all true ... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #152
You DO NOT know the people I am talking about. Are_grits_groceries Sep 2017 #164
I did not mean to be... Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #165
If you voted for a pos racist you are a POS racist. stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #154
they voted for a self admitted sexual predator... they knew what.. samnsara Sep 2017 #155
LOL! LOL! ... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #156
EVERY Trump voter is a lost cause Fluke a Snooker Sep 2017 #163
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