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kpete

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Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:52 AM Sep 2017

"I'm of the general belief that as racist as this country can be, its even MORE sexist." [View all]

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TPM Reader CM refocuses us on gender …

I agree really strongly with your general take on Trump being an expression of white backlash, but I also wanted to add that I think you’re missing a really important component: GENDER.


A lot of people are talking about the fact that Trump is racist, but hardly anyone is discussing the role his sexism played in the campaign and how much of a factor it still is in our society. And also on the left. Let’s not forget that Bernie’s attacks on “identity politics” have actually very little to do with racism. When Bernie talks about identity politics, he’s talking about WOMEN who vote for WOMEN because they’re WOMEN. I actually can’t think of a single instance when a discussion of race has caused him to slam identity politics. It has always been the result of a discussion of women in politics.

As for Trump, some of his most egregious moments in the campaign were his moments of outright misogyny and yet hardly anyone cares. Obviously, the “Grab ’em by the p__y” moment comes to mind, but he also trotted out all of Bill Clinton’s accusers before one of the debates. That wasn’t about race, it was a gendered attack. The attacks on Hillary’s honesty and nastiness played right into a very typical (yet generally accepted) brand of American sexism that is so entrenched in our culture, we hardly even notice it. Trump’s fundamental nature is being alpha to the point of near absurdity. And the alpha ALWAYS WINS. Most of these people who voted for Trump after voting for Obama were the same people who voted for Bush TWICE. Why? Because Bush was the alpha against Gore and Kerry. Obama was the alpha against McCain and Romney. And Trump was the Alpha compared to Hillary because our society doesn’t allow women to be alpha’s, no matter how experienced, or in command they are.

I’m of the general belief that as racist as this country can be, it’s even MORE sexist. Think about it. Our country is half female, and yet, only 20 percent of our congressional delegation is female. That level of female representation is viewed in other countries as a cause for serious concern, but here in America, we take as business as usual.

I think the thing I keep coming back to is this: if Obama ran for a third term, do you think he would’ve won? I think he probably would have and most statistical evidence indicates that would probably be the case. That says it all right there. At the end of the day, this country has some serious issues with women.


I would add that these two posts were really responding to the Coates’ essay, which is about race. That’s why I focused so squarely on race. But gender was central to this election, not simply because the Democratic candidate was a woman but because in a way that parallels the racial dynamics, feminism and women’s equality was a key target of the backlash.


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Absolutely true. (Thanks for posting this.) NurseJackie Sep 2017 #1
Let me guess, a White woman wrote this BULLSHIT post AllTooEasy Sep 2017 #39
The misogyny in this country is every bit as evil as the racism and homophobia. DLevine Sep 2017 #41
you need to seriously educate yourself; women are and have been sold, raped, murdered, TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #42
Thank you GaryCnf Sep 2017 #43
So after a period of "Bernie is racist" we are back to "Bernie is sexist"... redgreenandblue Sep 2017 #2
I would say Bernie is neither. nycbos Sep 2017 #13
Criticism of sacred cows is often perceived as an attack. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #14
That also applies to the OP Major Nikon Sep 2017 #44
I agree. MoonRiver Sep 2017 #3
1 problem is how women look at other women. Hilary lost the white women vote. How in the hell? GusFring Sep 2017 #4
Absolutely true crazycatlady Sep 2017 #5
Black men got the vote before women. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #6
And black women were not welcome in the suffrage movement loyalsister Sep 2017 #25
Agree. I've tried to bring this up - it usually sinks. CousinIT Sep 2017 #7
So as brutally racist as the country is, it is even more brutally sexist? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #8
Very true. Even the pussy grabbing comment treestar Sep 2017 #9
I'm not sure I agree with this. PragmaticLiberal Sep 2017 #10
how much of the thirty years of almost unimaginably hateful attacks on her come from the niyad Sep 2017 #17
Can't say what the percentage is but I'll just say "Alot". PragmaticLiberal Sep 2017 #30
Are U.S. Millennial Men Just as Sexist as Their Dads? TBA Sep 2017 #11
Apples and oranges. Orsino Sep 2017 #12
I think that most often they are so deeply intertwined that it makes separating them out impossible- bettyellen Sep 2017 #27
ABSOLUTELY TRUE--thanks for posting!! niyad Sep 2017 #15
My first reaction is that we don't want to get in a pissing contest over this subject. Nitram Sep 2017 #16
A pissing contest? LOL. LisaM Sep 2017 #28
You don't think women can get involved in pissing contests? JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #34
I was once involved in a unisex pissing contest. Or perhaps "demonstration" would be Nitram Sep 2017 #37
I was hoping you'd be amused. But I am serious aobut wanting to avoid a fruitless argument about Nitram Sep 2017 #38
The 2016 election was all about misogyny and racism. mnhtnbb Sep 2017 #18
What an amazing woman she was. Ran for president too. efhmc Sep 2017 #19
Wonderful page. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #31
K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #20
Oppression olympics are useless to the goal of eliminating it on all counts loyalsister Sep 2017 #21
Absolutely true. FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #22
'Fraid so. Hekate Sep 2017 #23
I have heard this from black women many times.. mountain grammy Sep 2017 #26
My son, union man and all around great person mountain grammy Sep 2017 #24
I don't think "one is worse than the other" arguments are helpful wryter2000 Sep 2017 #29
Hillary is way more alpha than Trump IronLionZion Sep 2017 #32
65 Reasons Hillary Clinton Is A Total Badass IronLionZion Sep 2017 #33
Definitely agree. sagesnow Sep 2017 #35
From what I have seen when it comes to racism and Doreen Sep 2017 #36
Pointless comparison gollygee Sep 2017 #40
sexism is far more pervasive than racism Skittles Sep 2017 #45
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