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clu

(494 posts)
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 02:48 PM Sep 2017

democrats might ignore trump voters to our peril [View all]

yes, 80% of republicans (that's a wide net) support trump - this is no surprise. IMO some of those 80% are rich/misinformed/family ignorant or sheltered. I would guess that less than half of the trump supporters are outright racists. Considering the number of whites in the US, under these assumptions maybe 30% of them are racists. other conservatives are exposed to them as friends and family members and they exchange ideas among each other, maybe in an insular area due to where they live. this link outlines trump's republican approval rating and it's shows 76% approval, but it may be outdated. what about the 24% that disapprove or have no opinion?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/02/politics/trump-approval-new-low-quinnipiac-poll/index.html

conservative media has an overreach in the US. stories of gun violence are given a lot of coverage in some media (breitbart maybe), while other stories get little coverage at all (some white guy went into NY with a sword and stabbed an older black man - I think I read about it only here, but I don't read daily beast or whatever).

speaking as a POC (i'm Mexican in Tx), i have also seen instances of prejudice. however, in a political climate of having to deal with some republican racist and *non-racist* voters (and politicians!), consider that some of them have valid (yet personal) concerns about tax policy. they also have concerns about where that tax money is spent. this is the state of affairs. dems have to be able to debate with them and maybe even concede a little in order to get our policy started.

i read a little about the some medicare proposal in another thread and the concensus is that it would never be passed. maybe that's right but also maybe after 2018 we lose enough seats for an actual attempt at privatizing SS. dems need to regain as much power as possible now. i'm commenting in another thread about which issues are more prominent - social or economic? take a moment to consider this statement: the powers that be will use social factors (racism) to perpetuate their system of economic injustice. that is not stated well, and maybe i need to read a little and rephrase it. how many whites died on the side of the union in the civil war? there is no division or infighting here. dems are on the side of justice. POC please remember that a 40 year old today grew up in a time with parents who could remember segregated areas (at least in TX). remember the extent to which racist behavior is learned, and consider that fact when deciding which strategy to apply to the democratic party.

if the democratic party is ham-handed about introducing racial justice legislation the RW establishment will jump on it and use it as a wedge tool. that doesn't mean I don't support social equality legislation. on the contrary i'll take it a step further and claim that a reparations law should be considered where means-tested blacks should be given free access to college. in the meantime, please at least keep open a discussion *against* RW strategy. I am not peddling RW smears i am only outlining their opinion as i see it. maybe i'm ignorant - what social justice issues require legislation today?


edit: please note i am not suggesting courting trump voters - only instead to lead with public policy that makes sense to the deceived trump voter. i believe some outwardly strong social legislation (C16 bill in Canada) will allow them to be duped - again!

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This Again? Me. Sep 2017 #1
yes it is this again clu Sep 2017 #5
Then Why Would They Vote For A DEm Me. Sep 2017 #6
Dems need every voter they can get Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #2
Obama/Sanders/Trump voter indeed clu Sep 2017 #3
"it's unpopular to label yourself a democrat" Me. Sep 2017 #4
what? Afromania Sep 2017 #8
"better collecting the votes... of those who were duped" clu Sep 2017 #12
the entire platform focused on class Afromania Sep 2017 #21
wish we could rec posts +++++++++ JHan Sep 2017 #61
Excellent Points Me. Sep 2017 #20
What. The. Hell? WinkyDink Sep 2017 #48
If people don't know what the Democratic Party has done for them, FT (the "T" is for "Them"). WinkyDink Sep 2017 #47
Feel better now? Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #58
Oh, whatEVer. What I'm sick of is this onslaught of redundant threads by trolls. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #59
Totally disagree. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #7
note the edit to theOP clu Sep 2017 #11
They don't understand public policy moda253 Sep 2017 #22
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #27
If progressive legislation made sense to a Trump voter, they wouldn't be a Trump voter. kcr Sep 2017 #44
Uh....We're not Canadian. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #49
I'm willing to take the risk. hamsterjill Sep 2017 #9
Thank you. And the few who really would now switch their votes, dont need Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #34
Exactly. hamsterjill Sep 2017 #45
Ignore? ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #10
i am responding to some who seem to claim clu Sep 2017 #13
You Think They Should Take A Back Seat? Me. Sep 2017 #17
social justice is economic justice Afromania Sep 2017 #25
im mexican clu Sep 2017 #31
"(how many generations since blacks and women could vote?)" Afromania Sep 2017 #37
You can't put a dollar sign Skidmore Sep 2017 #63
What You Said Me. Sep 2017 #39
They most absolutely should and as long as I have ANYTHING to say about it, they will. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #35
I believe we Democrats are capable of walking and chewing gum mcar Sep 2017 #41
They would be....? Oh, the ubiquitous "some." WinkyDink Sep 2017 #50
Economic justice cannot exist without social justice ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #54
You think only 30% of Trump supporters are racist? gollygee Sep 2017 #14
nope i said 30% of whites clu Sep 2017 #15
Hmm I don't know gollygee Sep 2017 #16
can't argue that clu Sep 2017 #18
You think these people care about those things? JHan Sep 2017 #62
Fuck 'em. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #19
The MOst Perfect Answer Of All Me. Sep 2017 #23
& the horse they rode in on AND the dirt on their floor! Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #36
I'd rather lose than cater to a bunch of racist assholes. They, and the people who try to minimize Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #24
Gosh! Finally someone is raising this issue! Squinch Sep 2017 #26
LOL SunSeeker Sep 2017 #28
LOL Scurrilous Sep 2017 #33
Stop voter suppression and there will be way more than enough to win. onecaliberal Sep 2017 #29
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #32
Agree 1000% ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #56
Did we chase those Dems that fell for Nixon's Southern Strategy ? Trust Buster Sep 2017 #30
Probably more likely... kentuck Sep 2017 #38
"What social justice issues require legislation today?" Educate yourself before lecturing us to take bettyellen Sep 2017 #40
+++++++++++++++++++ JHan Sep 2017 #60
NO. just. NO mercuryblues Sep 2017 #42
That + 10000000 onecaliberal Sep 2017 #51
"Dems need to stop coddling and patting the trump voters..... LenaBaby61 Sep 2017 #53
What he said!!! atreides1 Sep 2017 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author johnp3907 Sep 2017 #43
An original topic! AWESOME! WinkyDink Sep 2017 #46
K & enthusiasticly R LAS14 Sep 2017 #52
Three words: male bovine feces! nt Atticus Sep 2017 #57
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