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tonedevil

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20. What that I wrote...

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:03 PM

Sep 2017

makes you think I am confused at your statement that this is a vanity bill? If you are suggesting I am confused because I don't view this as a vanity bill I would call that a difference of opinion and still reject the conclusion that I am confused. I find that calling it a vanity bill and a distraction is an expression of vitriol if you find differently again it could be called a difference of opinion, but it seems to fit the definition as I know it.
The question you keep avoiding is are the Democratic Senators who are co-sponsoring or supporting this bill damaging the Democratic party? If you think they are do you think they are doing it from vanity?
If you can point out where I have written with malice I would be curious if only to try to understand where you are coming from.

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Pelosi declines to endorse Single Payer bill [View all] Pugster Sep 2017 OP

From the link ... left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #1

That's not what she said though. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #10

I supported it before I learned about just what obstacles there really are ehrnst Sep 2017 #58

Sometimes political expedience determines what is possible. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #76

No, most countries do not have single payer, as described in "Medicare for All" ehrnst Sep 2017 #80

I am sorry, but your negative framing ignores much of reality. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #84

No, it's not simply enrolling everyone into Medicare - that's the actual reality. ehrnst Sep 2017 #85

Thank you ehrnst oppressedproletarian Sep 2017 #121

buy out unitedhealthcare humana aetna clu Sep 2017 #150

Pelosi . . . peggysue2 Sep 2017 #2

How are minority... tonedevil Sep 2017 #4

Ultimately, they may not peggysue2 Sep 2017 #6

Wise words SHRED Sep 2017 #154

They have a greater chance at getting GOP votes on measures to protect the ACA Ninsianna Sep 2017 #12

Are you saying that ... tonedevil Sep 2017 #15

If they think that this bill has an actual chance, then they're fooling themselves. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #16

Exactly! peggysue2 Sep 2017 #17

You are... tonedevil Sep 2017 #18

It is a purity test, it was intended to be so. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #19

What that I wrote... tonedevil Sep 2017 #20

Well there were all those inferences, the references to vitriol and the general tone Ninsianna Sep 2017 #44

Just because you call... tonedevil Sep 2017 #62

Just because you deny a fact, doesn't make it any less of one. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #79

You have not presented a fact... tonedevil Sep 2017 #87

Perhaps if there was less time spent in "inferences" and getting all angry Ninsianna Sep 2017 #89

You have your opinion... tonedevil Sep 2017 #92

Actually, it's not just opinion, it's policy. And no, your opinion does not make it fact. ehrnst Sep 2017 #95

What is this policy... tonedevil Sep 2017 #98

I know the Democratic party is a better choice, but tell that to the career politician ehrnst Sep 2017 #100

I get it... tonedevil Sep 2017 #103

I get it - you equate criticism of Single Payer with criticism of Sanders ehrnst Sep 2017 #128

You remain condescending... tonedevil Sep 2017 #132

I pretty much took your post word for word..... ehrnst Sep 2017 #133

I admit I had never seen false... tonedevil Sep 2017 #134

wow so much patience clu Sep 2017 #153

damn buddy clu Sep 2017 #159

I also have facts and a understanding of reality and the written word on my side. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #106

What specifically... tonedevil Sep 2017 #113

Pretty much everything you're attacking me for. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #115

You have absolutely nothing... tonedevil Sep 2017 #117

Except the things I pointed out. Please stop with the dishonesty. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #135

You accuse me of lying... tonedevil Sep 2017 #146

I accused you of stating I said things that I did not. This is a lie Ninsianna Sep 2017 #147

You should try... tonedevil Sep 2017 #149

I already have, it requires literacy and honesty to acknwledge that. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #152

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #129

Vanity bill like "Repeal and Replace" and doesn't expect to pass, so it doesn't have details ehrnst Sep 2017 #86

It's not a unique concept in politics, not sure where all the malicious anger is Ninsianna Sep 2017 #88

Well, that's just it. Someone seems to think he owns the concept. ehrnst Sep 2017 #93

A bunch of angry someones who don't quite understand what's happening. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #109

But think of all those bubbles that would be burst! ehrnst Sep 2017 #111

Those are some lucrative bubbles! Ninsianna Sep 2017 #116

Yeah, those bubbles are keeping some 2020 POTUS run hopes alive. ehrnst Sep 2017 #130

HA, the fact that you have "compiled a list of Democrats who are R B Garr Sep 2017 #42

Well, those inferences and the "vitriol" sounded pretty angry, didn't they? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #45

So you are saying... tonedevil Sep 2017 #65

No, I'm saying you are making a list, checking it twice. R B Garr Sep 2017 #67

Are you saying... tonedevil Sep 2017 #68

You said you were making a list of Democrats who didn't acknowledge Sanders. R B Garr Sep 2017 #70

When did I say that? /nt tonedevil Sep 2017 #73

Not neccessarily you but others who are convinced that any disagreement ehrnst Sep 2017 #102

And yet... tonedevil Sep 2017 #104

I think you may be confusing me with another poster? ehrnst Sep 2017 #105

I thought you... tonedevil Sep 2017 #112

I have no idea what you are talking about now. ehrnst Sep 2017 #139

Multiple reply threads... tonedevil Sep 2017 #145

Speak for your own posts. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #183

Weird how it's everyone else that's "hostile" and "vitriolic" huh? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #155

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #101

Most of them are "hopefuls" for higher office so they're positioning themselves and going along... brush Sep 2017 #36

Here Here sacto95834 Sep 2017 #38

Some see it as an exercise in futility until we regain power... brush Sep 2017 #41

Yep, it's become dogma - just like voting for "repeal and replace"was for years on the right. ehrnst Sep 2017 #107

I think they are actually. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #46

Well said. It's a slogan not a plan, and we need an actual plan, with funding. brush Sep 2017 #120

That is a dirty word, and shows that you have a crass concern with money ehrnst Sep 2017 #140

I wish you were just engaging in hyperbole, but sadly you're not. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #156

Absolutely. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #81

It's become "repeal and replace " for Democrats ehrnst Sep 2017 #94

Most of those folks are simply defending themselves from comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #131

The are Senators, isn't this discussion about Pelosi's (correct) decision.... George II Sep 2017 #162

The way they were able to prevent its repeal. The question you would need to ask is would the 3 still_one Sep 2017 #30

thanks for sharing clu Sep 2017 #151

She is not particularly strong about women having agency over their own bodies... demmiblue Sep 2017 #3

What are you talking about? mcar Sep 2017 #8

That is completely untrue...single payer is a risk. Right now we have no chance of passing it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #9

what is the risk of promoting it? I don't get that at all. She certainly is't going to lose her JCanete Sep 2017 #33

Why spend time and money on something that isn't going to come about? Wasn't that what ehrnst Sep 2017 #59

Well jesus, you could say that about anything in the short term. You spend time and money on JCanete Sep 2017 #61

But we are not talking about "anything" we are talking about ehrnst Sep 2017 #75

except that it doesn't have to be cheap, we just have to get the money from the people who have it. JCanete Sep 2017 #77

Because right now it take time and attention away from what should be efforts to save the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #74

True sacto95834 Sep 2017 #39

Not really. What they do or do not do on the ACA will be what destroys them Ninsianna Sep 2017 #47

That is what some here don't understand. if we lose the ACA...the "it's Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #175

It doesn't seem to matter if that claim will not fly, they use many claims that do not fly Ninsianna Sep 2017 #180

You must be getting her confused with the people who were supporting and endorsing Ninsianna Sep 2017 #13

Really. . . peggysue2 Sep 2017 #21

You'll of course, support your allegation with objective evidence to support it as such, yes? LanternWaste Sep 2017 #66

dem bashers rarely do uponit7771 Sep 2017 #91

... HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #29

She is smart. This is a bad idea right now with no chance of passing a single payer bill...very Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #7

So Nancy Pelosi is officially (unofficially) not running for president in 2020. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #11

I know that people will hate all over Pelosi for this Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2017 #14

protect it by giving the GOP a reason to leave it alone. Push for something even better. JCanete Sep 2017 #63

Bravo to Pelosi for what the Leadeship MUST do considering current political conditions! Lee Adama Sep 2017 #22

Current political conditions support single payer. ZX86 Sep 2017 #23

No, they don't. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #24

And how is that different from women's rights, gay rights, and civil rights? ZX86 Sep 2017 #25

But this is PRECISELY how things happened in history! Lee Adama Sep 2017 #26

They don't erect statues, writes songs, and declare holidays for incrementalists. ZX86 Sep 2017 #32

Who cares? Lee Adama Sep 2017 #37

Who cares? ZX86 Sep 2017 #40

Every last on of those achievements came via incrementalism Lee Adama Sep 2017 #54

Why is this the standard? Need I remind you of all the racists, rapists and murderers who have Ninsianna Sep 2017 #48

The items you mentioned did start locally. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #28

And how many Americans have to suffer and die before you think it's worthwhile to fight ZX86 Sep 2017 #34

How many Americans must suffer and die while you ignore their immediate needs and their Ninsianna Sep 2017 #49

None. I'm fighting now. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #52

Universal health care doesn't have to be single payer. Most other countries have multi-payer ehrnst Sep 2017 #124

I approach health care with the moral equivalent of defense spending. ZX86 Sep 2017 #158

Because legislating social justice is different than retrofitting something that is 17% of the GDP. ehrnst Sep 2017 #60

Actually, if you dig deeper into actual polling... ehrnst Sep 2017 #99

Think tank twaddle that doesn't mean diddly squat to me. ZX86 Sep 2017 #118

We don't need no stinking experts! - the climate deniers ehrnst Sep 2017 #123

You've got to be kidding. ZX86 Sep 2017 #136

What "corporate funded hack opinion piece" ehrnst Sep 2017 #137

From your hack opinion piece. ZX86 Sep 2017 #141

You still haven't demostrated how KFF is a "corporate hack." ehrnst Sep 2017 #143

I'll concede that KFF by in large are NOT corporate hacks.....however ZX86 Sep 2017 #144

Um... it's the opinion of the President of KFF. ehrnst Sep 2017 #163

Those charts are not reflected... SHRED Sep 2017 #157

Pelosi knows they are playing politics with this bill. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #27

So you consider John Conyers a failure? ZX86 Sep 2017 #35

Why would you impugn John Conyers? Were you under the impression that he was a Senator? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #50

wtf are you even talking about? What are you even referencing with that shade? JCanete Sep 2017 #64

Shade? The person I replied to dragged John Conyers into something in the Senate. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #71

you are either misunderstanding or not being entirely truthful if you think Coneyers is being JCanete Sep 2017 #72

The only one being untruthful here and the only one happily being as crappy Ninsianna Sep 2017 #78

Thank you. ZX86 Sep 2017 #119

He doesn't have half the name recognition of Sanders. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #53

how are you missing the point? JCanete Sep 2017 #69

Are you serious? Do you know anything about John Conyers or what he's accomplished... George II Sep 2017 #122

I actually love Conyers, but that's not an untrue statement. Do you think most people know wtf is JCanete Sep 2017 #160

His single payer bill has failed many times. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #125

is that how you actually rate a failure? nt JCanete Sep 2017 #161

Not passing? I think that's the definition of failure of a bill. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #164

the person promoting it is a failure? Was Mandela a failure while Aparthide persisted and he sat in JCanete Sep 2017 #166

Nice strawman. And very dramatic! ehrnst Sep 2017 #167

it isn't a straw man. Do you know what a straw man is? This is an exaggerated and real world JCanete Sep 2017 #168

You misrepresented my post to make it easier to attack. ehrnst Sep 2017 #169

no it isn't. Your answer was in response to a question about whether Conyers was a failure. What JCanete Sep 2017 #170

Show me where I said that. ehrnst Sep 2017 #171

Sure thing. JCanete Sep 2017 #173

I think that you are forgetting that the original statement by ZX86 ehrnst Sep 2017 #174

no, because I never forgot that. That was why the person asked, using htat metric, whether or not JCanete Sep 2017 #179

What you take away from it after my explanation isn't my issue. ehrnst Sep 2017 #181

I accept your explanation, I don't get what you were trying to convey in the context your statement JCanete Sep 2017 #184

Thank you. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #185

Yes, a bill that doesn't pass is a failure...it failed to pass and is completely useless to anyone. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #176

context. Question originally posed wasn't about a bill. It was about whether or not Conyers was a JCanete Sep 2017 #178

My post was about the bill. You made it about the man. ehrnst Sep 2017 #182

Another important issue put off indefinitely Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #31

Of course she's Snackshack Sep 2017 #43

Pelosi needs to get woke Not Ruth Sep 2017 #51

It may be a losing issue for us as the GOP prepares to demonize it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #177

Such leadership... berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #55

Glad somebody finally said it. ucrdem Sep 2017 #56

Sorry to agree. Strategically, she has a point... VOX Sep 2017 #57

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #82

Remember the freakout when people had to change insurance, because their employers ehrnst Sep 2017 #83

People are asking you questions. Perhaps you'd MineralMan Sep 2017 #90

The Single Payer bill is going nowhere now. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #96

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #172

Who has the right healthcare plan for you? HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #97

Argument by cartoon. I guess that settles that. ehrnst Sep 2017 #108

hoo boy you got me HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #114

Here is an analysis of his 2016 bill that I've read ehrnst Sep 2017 #126

You're really pushing that thing... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #142

Still stings, doesn't it? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #165

No rebuttal? No surprise.(nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #138

Pelosi knows what she is talking about. She does not waste time b*llshitting us. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #110

She's not planning a run for POTUS in 2020, and doesn't feel the need to. ehrnst Sep 2017 #127

She is 100% right. nt Blue_true Sep 2017 #148