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JHan

(10,173 posts)
62. You think these people care about those things?
Wed Sep 13, 2017, 07:20 AM
Sep 2017

You really thought that the core of republican support for Trump was because of entitlement spending?

When Trump descended on that escalator and made his announcement , he pressed on impulses that were nurtured among republicans by RW radio and Fox News etc etc for over a decade. Here was a man who was finally "telling it like it is" as far as they were concerned. It's why he beat his numerous challengers in the primary.

People don't really vote policy, they mainly vote on cultural signifiers - never was this more evident in early support for Trump. They have no problem with spending, what they want is the government to prioritize spending on them and them ALONE.

It's not a question of "maybe" - Race had a lot to do with it, and there's more than enough data out there proving this to be the case. For all the absurd claims of identity politics in the Democratic Platform, Trump played white resentment and grievance politics all year last year.

But since you wish to reach out to these people, how about you riddle me this:

How do you appeal to people who willingly vote for those who make their lives worse? Who vote for representatives whose votes facilitate the rapaciousness of predatory industrialists: who despise renewable energy initiatives, as extractive industries pollute water systems and wreak havoc on their landscape.

How do we explain voters on state disability and medicare, who complain about poor service, while voting for representatives who implement service cuts and vote against healthcare expansion? They depend on healthcare access, will complain about co-payments, while also complaining about tax-and-spend liberals - the same liberals who want to make sure they have greater access to health services. In the same breath they complain about service cuts, they'll say they LOVE the idea of Trump's wall - not thinking of the cost to the taxpayer because Mexico ain't paying for no wall. When you scratch the surface, their complaints about liberals are that people of color get the same benefits they do - not the benefits themselves, not the "Idea" itself.

Liberals lost the meme wars and this has to do with how our message is disseminated. Not the message itself. There are ways to address this, but what you don't do is throw your base under the bus in some misguided attempt to lure in voters who relish Trumpian politics.

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This Again? Me. Sep 2017 #1
yes it is this again clu Sep 2017 #5
Then Why Would They Vote For A DEm Me. Sep 2017 #6
Dems need every voter they can get Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #2
Obama/Sanders/Trump voter indeed clu Sep 2017 #3
"it's unpopular to label yourself a democrat" Me. Sep 2017 #4
what? Afromania Sep 2017 #8
"better collecting the votes... of those who were duped" clu Sep 2017 #12
the entire platform focused on class Afromania Sep 2017 #21
wish we could rec posts +++++++++ JHan Sep 2017 #61
Excellent Points Me. Sep 2017 #20
What. The. Hell? WinkyDink Sep 2017 #48
If people don't know what the Democratic Party has done for them, FT (the "T" is for "Them"). WinkyDink Sep 2017 #47
Feel better now? Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #58
Oh, whatEVer. What I'm sick of is this onslaught of redundant threads by trolls. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #59
Totally disagree. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #7
note the edit to theOP clu Sep 2017 #11
They don't understand public policy moda253 Sep 2017 #22
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #27
If progressive legislation made sense to a Trump voter, they wouldn't be a Trump voter. kcr Sep 2017 #44
Uh....We're not Canadian. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #49
I'm willing to take the risk. hamsterjill Sep 2017 #9
Thank you. And the few who really would now switch their votes, dont need Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #34
Exactly. hamsterjill Sep 2017 #45
Ignore? ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #10
i am responding to some who seem to claim clu Sep 2017 #13
You Think They Should Take A Back Seat? Me. Sep 2017 #17
social justice is economic justice Afromania Sep 2017 #25
im mexican clu Sep 2017 #31
"(how many generations since blacks and women could vote?)" Afromania Sep 2017 #37
You can't put a dollar sign Skidmore Sep 2017 #63
What You Said Me. Sep 2017 #39
They most absolutely should and as long as I have ANYTHING to say about it, they will. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #35
I believe we Democrats are capable of walking and chewing gum mcar Sep 2017 #41
They would be....? Oh, the ubiquitous "some." WinkyDink Sep 2017 #50
Economic justice cannot exist without social justice ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #54
You think only 30% of Trump supporters are racist? gollygee Sep 2017 #14
nope i said 30% of whites clu Sep 2017 #15
Hmm I don't know gollygee Sep 2017 #16
can't argue that clu Sep 2017 #18
You think these people care about those things? JHan Sep 2017 #62
Fuck 'em. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #19
The MOst Perfect Answer Of All Me. Sep 2017 #23
& the horse they rode in on AND the dirt on their floor! Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #36
I'd rather lose than cater to a bunch of racist assholes. They, and the people who try to minimize Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #24
Gosh! Finally someone is raising this issue! Squinch Sep 2017 #26
LOL SunSeeker Sep 2017 #28
LOL Scurrilous Sep 2017 #33
Stop voter suppression and there will be way more than enough to win. onecaliberal Sep 2017 #29
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #32
Agree 1000% ATL Ebony Sep 2017 #56
Did we chase those Dems that fell for Nixon's Southern Strategy ? Trust Buster Sep 2017 #30
Probably more likely... kentuck Sep 2017 #38
"What social justice issues require legislation today?" Educate yourself before lecturing us to take bettyellen Sep 2017 #40
+++++++++++++++++++ JHan Sep 2017 #60
NO. just. NO mercuryblues Sep 2017 #42
That + 10000000 onecaliberal Sep 2017 #51
"Dems need to stop coddling and patting the trump voters..... LenaBaby61 Sep 2017 #53
What he said!!! atreides1 Sep 2017 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author johnp3907 Sep 2017 #43
An original topic! AWESOME! WinkyDink Sep 2017 #46
K & enthusiasticly R LAS14 Sep 2017 #52
Three words: male bovine feces! nt Atticus Sep 2017 #57
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