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pangaia

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42. Don't listen to those criticizing you for not SAYING your headline was irony.

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:30 AM

Sep 2017

It is FREAKIN' obvious.

I must say, it seems to me that in the last,, what 4 months, 8 months, 18 months,, I don't know, BUT. a lot of rather easy to see subtly and irony is completely missed by more and more folks.

It's like our brains are turning into mush, into 'republican' brains,'' brains that don't understand irony and subtly and understatement and inference and humor and..... (sshhhh, don't tell anyone I used the word 'r*p*b*i**n--- I might get wacked for saying.....ah, forget it)

Maybe the Russians are secretly sneaking in code to dumb us down, or trolls or.. beats me. But this is a board full of gazillions of damn smart people. Much smarter(well maybe LOL) and sure more knowledgable than me.

For instance, I can't even spell nolegable...

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9 Devastating Quotes That Show Hillary Clinton Still Won't Take Responsibility for Her Loss [View all] ehrnst Sep 2017 OP

She has more honesty, honor and humanity than ALL OF HER CHALLENGERS combined. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #1

+ZILLION! democratisphere Sep 2017 #3

Damn straight. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #10

+ a million! BlueMTexpat Sep 2017 #36

Not over it either. Probably never. Maybe PTSD. Sick & Alice11111 Sep 2017 #142

Nor am I, Alice11111. calimary Sep 2017 #146

Gowdy still wants to investigate her emails. Any major Alice11111 Sep 2017 #162

Something else most republi-CONS stand for: calimary Sep 2017 #169

Yes. There is that back to the simple fun times of rhe 50s, Alice11111 Sep 2017 #170

If only .... eom BlueMTexpat Sep 2017 #168

Amen shenmue Sep 2017 #44

And she has integrity Maven Sep 2017 #49

Yep Me. Sep 2017 #52

Bingo...I'm still with her as well iluvtennis Sep 2017 #65

Yes, she does! NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #68

yes she does grantcart Sep 2017 #139

Yes we are! lunamagica Sep 2017 #143

I am not a blind zealot. I voted 4 her and onit2day Sep 2017 #155

Absolutely Sparkly Sep 2017 #164

Just another shining example of how and why Democrats can't get together to win elections. democratisphere Sep 2017 #2

Because she took responsibility, despite what her detractors rant? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #8

Horseshit. GoCubsGo Sep 2017 #97

"After hearing repeatedly that some people didnt like my voice". This makes me feel sick. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #4

yeah, that one stuck out to me, too. mopinko Sep 2017 #12

and morning jo and mica talked about her book with the same... samnsara Sep 2017 #5

+100 narnian60 Sep 2017 #58

++++++++++ agree. Have the Morning Joe folks learned nothing from the monstrosity in the WH iluvtennis Sep 2017 #66

These two whores Jakes Progress Sep 2017 #165

Why omit the opening paragraph that lets readers know this is satire? procon Sep 2017 #6

Because there is a limit to the amount I can quote. ehrnst Sep 2017 #9

The limit is four paragraphs, which you exceeded Orrex Sep 2017 #11

I thought the limit had been expanded to five paragraphs. Is that not right? StevieM Sep 2017 #29

I could easily be incorrect Orrex Sep 2017 #32

Perhaps I should consult you when I need to choose what exerpts to include. ehrnst Sep 2017 #90

That would certainly improve your posts, yes. Orrex Sep 2017 #92

Oh please... you ran out of room, really? LOL nt procon Sep 2017 #13

Sorry to have offended you so deeply so early. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #22

Some will manage to BlueMTexpat Sep 2017 #39

YOU DID IT ALL WRONG!!! lapucelle Sep 2017 #110

Don't listen to those criticizing you for not SAYING your headline was irony. pangaia Sep 2017 #42

good point.. JHan Sep 2017 #55

I've had people wack me several times for it.. even got a hide or 2 over the last 6-8 months. pangaia Sep 2017 #60

It shouldn't, but emotions are still raw. The Mouth Sep 2017 #64

How could anyone not know that BainsBane Sep 2017 #30

I got it by the second or third one... Orrex Sep 2017 #33

I didn't even have to read the excerpts... Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #34

Same here. The intent was obvious in the word choice. Beartracks Sep 2017 #40

Tell me about it. pangaia Sep 2017 #45

See the responses? It looks like a lot of people were needlessly tricked. nt procon Sep 2017 #63

So we're all supposed to write for the lowest common denominator? NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #69

"tricked" oh, my. A lot more seemed to get it, and laugh. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #96

Since you subsequently edited your OP to add a cautionary alert about satire, procon Sep 2017 #120

Tricked!!! OMG. ehrnst Sep 2017 #136

I think it is pretty obvious that it is irony. pangaia Sep 2017 #38

How could anyone read this and not know it's sarcastic? bluepen Sep 2017 #48

... LexVegas Sep 2017 #62

Because it was stunningly obvious to anyone who can read? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #113

Yay. I knew the sarcasm police would be around at some point. phleshdef Sep 2017 #125

I cannot imagine the strength of character mcar Sep 2017 #7

I am sure there are a few millions reasons to relive the book. berksdem Sep 2017 #25

Or "write" and promote two books BainsBane Sep 2017 #28

So, is it only HRC who's to be criticized mcar Sep 2017 #51

i really don't understand berksdem Sep 2017 #84

K mcar Sep 2017 #152

Yes, she got millions more votes than any of her opponents, so her popularity R B Garr Sep 2017 #59

OK, but how much time did she spend bashing the Democratic Party? Bleacher Creature Sep 2017 #14

I think you might take out the sarcasm thingy as bait and see what happens.. pangaia Sep 2017 #46

It's sad that we need the "sarcasm" gif on this site. bluepen Sep 2017 #50

Please stop flibbitygiblets Sep 2017 #15

Did you read the quotes? (spoiler - it's satire) (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #19

Nope, had enough. Not clicking on these anymore flibbitygiblets Sep 2017 #23

Then use trash thread. Nt BainsBane Sep 2017 #31

That involves clicking on them, doesn't it? ehrnst Sep 2017 #89

Thank you! flibbitygiblets Sep 2017 #167

Isn't the DNC blamed as the entire explanation for one loss? R B Garr Sep 2017 #53

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #88

Stop what? johnp3907 Sep 2017 #151

Sigh... aikoaiko Sep 2017 #16

i almost didn't look because of the OP title barbtries Sep 2017 #17

Ahhhh....sarcasm. I was totally ready to exhibit.. BobTheSubgenius Sep 2017 #18

Some people are very upset that the title didn't indicate that it wasn't a screed on HRC. ehrnst Sep 2017 #99

the ritual of "taking responsibility" is just that -a ritual delisen Sep 2017 #20

Only she has been demanded to apologize. Not even McGovern was ehrnst Sep 2017 #171

So true. I see H. Clinton as the real transformational leader delisen Sep 2017 #172

the ritual of "taking responsibility" is just that -a ritual delisen Sep 2017 #20

Yep treestar Sep 2017 #24

3,000,000 more votes . . . Gamecock Lefty Sep 2017 #26

And the people who made those charges will not admit they were wrong BainsBane Sep 2017 #27

It's tough to be both introspective and candidly realistic. Bradical79 Sep 2017 #35

Why do none of those quotes references actions, only emotions? Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #37

I think you might need to buy and read her book to fully understand this thread. UCmeNdc Sep 2017 #41

Politicians' books are pablum Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #54

The point of the book was her experience, and point of view. ehrnst Sep 2017 #76

The book isn't "How I feel" Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #83

That's quite the creative, though thoroughly unsupported allegation. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #98

It is based on impressions of those books I've read Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #101

So if a book doesn't "advance ideas" that are based on timelines and news articles ehrnst Sep 2017 #107

You are parsing.eom. Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #109

I am applying "rigorous analysis" to your posts... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #134

It's what happened in her life at the time, including her feelings. ehrnst Sep 2017 #104

I'm only commenting on what the quotes attest to Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #105

Actually, yes, there are ways to judge the factual validity of a memoir for historical purposes. ehrnst Sep 2017 #112

Yes, those would be extratextual Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #115

You talk about HRC's book and dismiss it out of hand without reading it. ehrnst Sep 2017 #117

Because like other books by politicians, Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #118

You said: ehrnst Sep 2017 #133

Did you read the article? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #74

I wonder how many alerts PDittie Sep 2017 #43

The real problem isn't Hillary. Ligyron Sep 2017 #47

Jesus Christ thank you for pointing out the obvious, Its almost embarrassing at this point. Old Vet Sep 2017 #135

I heard some idiot on MSNBC this morning TNNurse Sep 2017 #56

The "crooked Hillary" trope is applied to anything. I believe it would be applied ehrnst Sep 2017 #77

66,000,000 voters? 3,000,000 MORE than her challenger, anyway. I'm still with HER. Hekate Sep 2017 #57

We are totally immersed in FACTS that PROVE that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election Mr. Ected Sep 2017 #61

thank you. Joe941 Sep 2017 #67

This quote makes the most sense as far as to what I'd heard among the opposition: vkkv Sep 2017 #70

You mean because of misogyny, because she didn't razzle dazzle? ehrnst Sep 2017 #79

No, I think it was that she had so much poltical history that was easy bait vkkv Sep 2017 #85

She had so much political history because she accomplished so much. ehrnst Sep 2017 #87

Of course they're just smears ! vkkv Sep 2017 #128

What "bullshit" did you refuse to vote for? (Nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #129

Not going to answer, I see. Probably for the best. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #160

' I don't vote for bullshit' vkkv Sep 2017 #161

Warren's polls numbers are lower than Hillary's ever were BainsBane Sep 2017 #121

"They key issue in the 2016 election was white male rage." Yep, that is correct. vkkv Sep 2017 #130

Are you saying Bernie is to the right of Warren? BainsBane Sep 2017 #132

Not at all. Which poll ? vkkv Sep 2017 #137

The same one Bernie supporters tout constantly BainsBane Sep 2017 #149

That was our fault zipplewrath Sep 2017 #156

I suppose you are right on most of that. 2020 will be very interesting vkkv Sep 2017 #157

I think she still hasn't figured out her biggest mistake. Egnever Sep 2017 #71

If you read the article at the link, you will see more. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #73

Not much more but this I think does hit closer to home Egnever Sep 2017 #80

Self confidence intelligence and ambition that lead people to bettyellen Sep 2017 #86

I don't think there is any doubt that many men are threatened by competent women Egnever Sep 2017 #95

There are things you can do to level the playing field for sure. Change happens slowly. bettyellen Sep 2017 #102

Yep - but she persisted. And against so many odds, got the votes. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #100

I admire her fortitude. bettyellen Sep 2017 #103

If there is one thing I admire about Hillary it is that. Egnever Sep 2017 #111

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #154

I got to tell you, I have an uncle that I thought to be a bit more progressive... Raster Sep 2017 #116

I was shocked people would admit the same to me - a woman! Many led with criticism of her husband in bettyellen Sep 2017 #124

I agree janterry Sep 2017 #108

Not only is she expected to take responsibilty True_Blue Sep 2017 #72

The ironic thing is that if Hillary herself came to DU and said "Hillary had any fault in the loss", JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #75

Actually, that's not true ehrnst Sep 2017 #81

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #78

I just couldn't figure out why people didn't like her. LiberalFighter Sep 2017 #82

I think that the people who didn't like her were given validation ehrnst Sep 2017 #91

Total Misleading Headline.....exact opposite of what the story is about., should read something else Stuart G Sep 2017 #93

It's the title of the article, and it's ironic. I hope you don't read Borowitz....(nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #94

The Electoral College may go fuck itself Blue Owl Sep 2017 #106

so...I'm sure there are passages in the book that do what you say she is doing here, but these JCanete Sep 2017 #114

So... even when she takes responsibility, it's still not "specific enough" or "platitudes" ehrnst Sep 2017 #119

I have none of those things, and I said that in every case she may actually take responsibility in JCanete Sep 2017 #122

Whereas other losing candidates BainsBane Sep 2017 #127

sooooo? First, what he said is the political reality of the fight. I agree with it. You could JCanete Sep 2017 #131

To be fair, why does anyone expect her to apologize? True_Blue Sep 2017 #147

I agree, and have said so in my posts. nt JCanete Sep 2017 #148

No one was justified in "disliking" her mcar Sep 2017 #158

You misread me. I said it was justified for clinton to point out that the dislike was irrational. I JCanete Sep 2017 #159

Boy, talk about pre-judging. lark Sep 2017 #123

Some MFM008 Sep 2017 #126

Hillary! demigoddess Sep 2017 #138

I was wondering GaryCnf Sep 2017 #140

The headline is the headline of the article, which is ironic. ehrnst Sep 2017 #150

This reminds me of the... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #141

Thank you! And it's not your fault if some are so dense they didn't get the irony in lunamagica Sep 2017 #144

K&R Scurrilous Sep 2017 #145

I see what you did there. Awesome post. Justice Sep 2017 #153

Some read only the title and Progressive dog Sep 2017 #163

Far too many here on DU just got duped. Jakes Progress Sep 2017 #166