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Hoyt

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10. As I understand it, the necessary tax hike was more than any legislator had the guts to

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:26 PM

Sep 2017

present to their constituents.

I get the taxes would replace what is already being spent. Except the average Joe who is not suffering from an abusive lifestyle is going to say, my taxes are much higher than my usuage because I take care of myself, work hard, etc. In fact, many really don't care about paying for people with debilitating chronic diseases. And a lot, like 40%, just don't want a government financed system, at least until they have no other option. Yes, in some way they are paying for all that now, but it's not through a big tax increase that some politician says will save them money.

We can argue over whether Vermont is a big enough population. But you can't argue about California. And, as disappointing as it was, they ran from it quickly.

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I don't understand Bernie's Medicare for all [View all] wasupaloopa Sep 2017 OP

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No, it is not. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #2

Did he really say premiums would go away? Control-Z Sep 2017 #3

Yes he did there should be a video soon wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #4

Premiums would be replaced by big tax increases. Probably worth it, but I keep thinking about Hoyt Sep 2017 #6

Just a couple of quibles Egnever Sep 2017 #8

As I understand it, the necessary tax hike was more than any legislator had the guts to Hoyt Sep 2017 #10

Both of them faced similar problems I think Egnever Sep 2017 #12

I think California is plenty big, and they've been a leader in healthcare reform. But they Hoyt Sep 2017 #13

So you dismiss that the federal government plays a huge role in healthcare? Egnever Sep 2017 #14

No, but California even investigated getting a waiver to pool current Medicare, Medicaid, etc., Hoyt Sep 2017 #19

Even with the waiver Egnever Sep 2017 #20

Please explain how an employer might lose a "tax break" if they didn't have to pay as much toward Hoyt Sep 2017 #23

I will try Egnever Sep 2017 #43

Where does the government pay companies to provide insurance? Hoyt Sep 2017 #56

California doesn't administer Medicare. That in itself is an impediment KPN Sep 2017 #33

Medi-Cal is a pretty big system -- 12.5 million beneficiaries. And California has been a the Hoyt Sep 2017 #40

Nobody's ignoring the issues. KPN Sep 2017 #42

Have you ever consider the job losses involved? I tell you single payer won't work. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #21

Have you considered the jobs that would be created as a result of a KPN Sep 2017 #34

That of course is one of the huge difficulties Egnever Sep 2017 #44

Yay Not Ruth Sep 2017 #52

It's actually pretty important that people think of premiums as going away... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #5

Agreed Egnever Sep 2017 #15

Well...it won't be that way for everybody... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #16

Fair enough Egnever Sep 2017 #17

People hate taxes and will not go for it...particularly those with employer based insurance. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22

Look, I get it. But Hillary isn't president so you don't have to push to her "Never gonna happen"... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #26

First of all, in theory it might. Two different single payer bills will involve different details. StevieM Sep 2017 #46

Actually...she did say that... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #48

She was referring to the upcoming administration. She wasn't making a sweeping statement about StevieM Sep 2017 #49

Here's another quote: TCJ70 Sep 2017 #50

You're picking out words in order to make a point that is not consistent with what the debate was. StevieM Sep 2017 #51

Some people hate taxes. Many people have been conditioned to oppose taxes KPN Sep 2017 #35

If you get health care from your employer, you don't see yourself paying for premiums... brooklynite Sep 2017 #31

That's why the conversation needs to continue... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #32

Some folks' ox will be gored for sure. KPN Sep 2017 #37

Employer can still pay tokalion Sep 2017 #53

I think a good number of folks here don't understand how Medicare works. Currently we pay into still_one Sep 2017 #7

Thank you for your post. If Bernie intends wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #11

Excellent post. Hoyt Sep 2017 #24

I am on Medicare. Medicare Part B which costs me $107/month KPN Sep 2017 #38

As I understand it, a Medi-Gap or supplemental policies sold after January 1, 2006, do not include still_one Sep 2017 #41

Its free college all over again. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #9

Many nations provide universal coverage without single payer... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #18

+1. "I don't care how we get there." Hoyt Sep 2017 #27

Yup. ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #29

We need to see the plan scored by CBO or a dispassionate and independent think tank. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #36

I am surprised CBO, or some other creditable group, have not done that. Hoyt Sep 2017 #39

while I'd love to see a single payer system NewJeffCT Sep 2017 #30

I doubt it would be that same as it is now. alarimer Sep 2017 #25

Another one of my concerns ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #28

There is rationing in every system Egnever Sep 2017 #45

Won't the system get overtaxed? MichMan Sep 2017 #54

BINGO! Because we KNOW the government is REALLY good at keeping tabs on where money goes snooper2 Sep 2017 #58

A lot of people here still don't understand it HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #47

Why isn't his financing plan included in the bill? Senators, both Democratic and republican.... George II Sep 2017 #57

The GOP will use this to demonize us and we will lost our chance in 18 and 20...stupid and more Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #55