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Ken Burch

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85. I don't need to surrender, because we're not in a war.

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:15 AM

Sep 2017

I'm not your enemy, I'm not a danger to the party, and I don't need to be stopped or whatever it is you seem to feel is your duty in life to do to me.

There is no reason for you to be this relentlessly fixated on my very presence here, or on trying to discredit me or any of the other people you target on a personal level.

Ok, so I'm to you left on economic issues. So what? I also support keeping the party solidly pro-choice and anti-oppression, I campaign for the ticket and other Dems loyally, and there's as much room for me and for the ideas I sometimes post about(I spend plenty of time talking about other things here, btw) as there is for anyone and anything else.

And I'm not guilty of trying to remake the party in Bernie's image. I've proved that again and again.

If it was actually possible that any of the things I've posted about could, as you once put it, "destroy the party", or even harm it in any significant way, the site owners themselves would have kicked me off of her by now, Or I'd have been alerted into oblivion.

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The Medicare-For-All Bill does not conflict with defending the ACA. [View all] Ken Burch Sep 2017 OP

It distracts. It diverts attention. It confuses. It's... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #1

Thank you for that bit of reality. comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #3

in 1760, it was unrealistic to expect British rule of North America ever to end. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #4

+1000 KTM Sep 2017 #6

+1 leftstreet Sep 2017 #7

Apples and oranges Ken...read up on Hillarycare...if we lose the ACA we will get nothing. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #18

And we are all united in fighting to defend the ACA at the moment. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #23

I see Pelosi focusing on ACA. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #33

Is the only way to focus on ACA to give up on anything beyond that? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #68

Apples and apples. tomp Sep 2017 #24

so true mdbl Sep 2017 #30

I have seen no bill presented by any Dem that fixes the ACA not have I heard many talk about it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #42

Neither have I. Never said I did. tomp Sep 2017 #51

It isn't being done...so does it really matter? Single payer which we will not get anytime soon is Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #54

It should be done. And it's up to Pelosi and Schumer to get the ball rolling on that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #71

It's not the fault of single-payer advocates that that hasn't happened. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #70

you are a more patient man than i clu Sep 2017 #104

Just no. Hubby and I pay $1400/mo in premiums. I'd gladly pay that into MFA instead. Turn CO Blue Sep 2017 #10

Thank you. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #14

Well, in just 25 or 30 years, maybe MFA will become a reality. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #21

yes there are some high earners clu Sep 2017 #105

Right... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #26

Single-payer gets closer to reality with an ACA that functions well and delivers what's promised. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #27

Immaterial. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #45

There's no question about it at all. They can "simultaneously" do dozens of different things. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #80

OK. And single-payer supporters aren't against fixing the ACA Ken Burch Sep 2017 #76

I never said they were. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #78

I've always been realistic. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #79

Now you're just repeating yourself. We've talked about this before. Please... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #81

I'm not looking for you to change YOUR answers. Never wanted that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #82

My responses: NurseJackie Sep 2017 #83

I don't need to surrender, because we're not in a war. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #85

It's not about you. Yet you used "I/my/me" EIGHTEEN TIMES in that short message. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #89

A presence of many of those ideas in the platform proves they weren't rejected Ken Burch Sep 2017 #90

NO ANCHOVIES!! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #91

Nobody's forcing you to have anchovies. Or forcing the party to have them Ken Burch Sep 2017 #92

Ok, so here's the deal... anchovies suck! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #96

It's enought to say that YOU reject the ideas in the those OPs Ken Burch Sep 2017 #97

Think about it. See if you can find any parallels or similarities... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #98

OK, left out choice there-added it now, thanks-but there's no difference between us on that, either. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #99

Exactly as I described... "an afterthought". Thanks for illustrating my point. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #100

What is considered "realistic" changes constantly. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #29

Single-payer gets closer to reality with an ACA that functions well and delivers what's promised. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #34

Whihc is why, one assumes, that Burch and Senator Sanders guillaumeb Sep 2017 #38

looks like ACA is going, all this attention on other stuff, oops Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #101

It must be nice to have such luxuries of... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #103

No it won't...while many in the GOP support social justice...the moderates anyway... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #43

Framing is essential. As the GOP realizes. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #48

You are wrong. Medicare is approved as a retirement thing...those who have workplace Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #57

You assert that "most people" have workplace insurance. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #61

Nurse, I'm old enough to remember Plucketeer Sep 2017 #32

Single-payer gets closer to reality with an ACA that functions well and delivers what's promised. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #36

"delivers what's promised" Plucketeer Sep 2017 #60

Yup that point was explicitly made in today's announcement Arazi Sep 2017 #2

Where can I find information on the bill submitted by Sen. Sanders which improves the ACA... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #16

Yes, that point was made. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #49

Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Autumn Sep 2017 #5

Yes, and it's insulting to imply the senators who support this bill won't fight for the ACA. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #8

It's worse than an insult. Dems have been fighting on all fronts and people who suggest they can't Autumn Sep 2017 #9

A poster up-thread lost their home because of health care costs. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #19

I saw that. We can and should do both. I'm shocked to see Dems who think that we just need to Autumn Sep 2017 #22

That is the GOP plan, they even admitted it beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #25

That is not the point...all this talk about single payer and doing a bill at this time reminds Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #15

Bills should be written to fix the ACA. But those who want us to just fix the ACA Ken Burch Sep 2017 #75

Not there are groups threatening murielm99 Sep 2017 #13

You are really reaching to get there from what I said. Autumn Sep 2017 #35

Your initial post was quite clear. eom guillaumeb Sep 2017 #41

I read it the first time. murielm99 Sep 2017 #53

Oh by the way, it already has distracted attention from the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #17

Apparently, we have some Gerald Ford democrats. nt tomp Sep 2017 #28

Right anyone that disagrees with you is not a Democrat...you should read TOS. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #44

You misinterpret. tomp Sep 2017 #50

Calling someone a Ford Democrat is really calling them a Republican and you know it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #55

Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and Al Franken and the others all know what they are doing. Autumn Sep 2017 #59

Those names.. disillusioned73 Sep 2017 #63

True. Autumn Sep 2017 #64

They all plan to run for president. I don't blame them...but I think it is a foolish thing to do. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #86

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #84

Really. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #87

It's a feature. If you say "the sky is blue" what you actualy said is "the sky is green and I'm Autumn Sep 2017 #58

If it distracts even an ounce of energy required to fight for maintaining the ACA it conflicts. George II Sep 2017 #11

And who set that standard? Apart from you? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #31

Thanks for your courteous response. George II Sep 2017 #37

You are welcome. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #40

Yes it does...and we will be demonized in 2020 Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #12

I completely disagree with your take. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #20

Care to say why? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #66

No, thanks. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #67

Is it just because I was the one who posted the OP? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #69

I choose not to answer that question. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #72

Actually, you just did. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #73

On second thought. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #74

Ken, you have correctly assessed this individual. Note that he's been here Atticus Sep 2017 #102

No, it's to frighten the wingnuts into voting against repeal Warpy Sep 2017 #39

You can't be sure of that with the gerrymander...and after 18,we still have Trump...thus Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #46

Your leaps of illogic are truly astonishing Warpy Sep 2017 #47

That isn't true. We are all equally committed to saving the ACA from repeal. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #93

Oh please. Does it do anything else is the question. ucrdem Sep 2017 #52

It's defenitely not good enough for some -nt Bradical79 Sep 2017 #65

It does a number of other things. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #94

There should be a transition from ACA to single payer. kentuck Sep 2017 #56

I read Bernie's plan would be a 4 year transition. Autumn Sep 2017 #62

I agree. It does not distract or confuse. It is what we stand for. PatrickforO Sep 2017 #77

Honestly I don't care if it does... Joe941 Sep 2017 #88

I completely agree. ZX86 Sep 2017 #95